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Posted: Sunday, March 11, 2012 11:00 pm | Updated: 1:11 pm, Mon Oct 15, 2012.

Airport and aloha

My husband and I share our time between Denver and Kaua‘i. During our last visit there was a letter concerning the airport security, an elderly woman and the lack of aloha shown the traveler. I don’t know if the security company responded to the event or not.

Now on national news and in the Denver Post newspaper, I learned of the security guard kicking out travelers who were stranded due to a canceled flight  — the rain was the reason.

 Who hires and trains these people? I could think of several alternatives to evicting these passengers. They were pictured sleeping in a shelter with a blanket and no bed. Since they had been celebrating their 50th anniversary they were not kids.  

The airport needs to focus on traveler comfort and helping them, not shunting them to a shelter or making fun of them and calling them liars as happened in the first instance.

Eva Holmes, Denver, Colo.

Mahalo to KIUC workers

I just want to thank the workers of KIUC for their quick and efficient repairs on the power outages the past week. We lost power at least three hours a day for a few days, but only a few hours. These people were working in horrendous conditions of rain, wind, falling trees and landslides. Thanks, workers.

I wish I could give praise to the board of KIUC. They are still going ahead with the “smart meter” plan. Notice you haven’t heard anything from the board members. Why? Because they know they can sit back and it’s going to happen anyway. Then they can bring on the multi-level tier system, raise rates, then pat each other on the back and vote themselves a pay raise.

There is something you can do. Two of the present board members are up for re-election. Vote them out. Notice there are only three candidates that were nominated by petition. The rest were nominated by the nominating committee, in league with KIUC management already.

They will most likely fall in line with the existing board. Another “old boys club” so prevalent in local politics.

Another thing you can do is use less energy. Conserve. The cheapest energy is that you don’t use. Or do nothing and watch the rates climb. It’s your vote and your money.

John Humphrey, Hanalei

On tax cut proposals

Tax cut proponents often cite the economic boom that followed tax reductions during the Reagan administration as evidence that low taxes result in high economic growth.

They also reference the Laffer Curve (Economist Arthur Laffer’s curve shows that tax revenue is zero at a tax rate of 0 percent and then rises to a maximum at some unspecified tax rate before declining to zero again at a rate of 100 percent; the decline being caused by high taxes creating a disincentive to produce) and put forth data that shows tax revenue increasing immediately after tax reductions go into effect in an attempt to show that we are on the downside of Laffer and should therefore cut taxes.

The problem with these arguments in favor of tax cuts is that the existence of the Reagan boom, the existence of a downside of the Laffer curve, and spikes in tax revenue following tax cuts are all good points, but not good enough to withstand the fact that the US economy has performed roughly the same regardless of tax policy.

An examination of gross domestic product of the United States over the last 60 to 80 years is devastating to these arguments for tax cuts.  GDP growth varies widely since the 1930s and in a narrower range after World War II, but there is no discernible correlation between GDP growth and tax rates.  

Eliot Spitzer plotted GDP growth from 1930 to 2010 on a graph along with the top marginal tax rate over this time span, and the lack of correlation was apparent.  

While Spitzer’s graph only included the top marginal rate, plotting almost any other rate shows a similar lack of correlation because the performance of the economy as measured by GDP does not correspond to any significant changes in tax policy.

 This lack of correlation belies the notion that we are on the downward side of Laffer because Laffer’s downturn doesn’t occur until taxes cause a substantial reduction in GDP.

Spikes in tax revenue do follow most major tax cuts, but they have nothing to do with an increase in GDP.  

These spikes are likely caused by business people simply shifting revenue from a period of higher taxation to a period with lower taxes, and the spikes are inconsequential to the tax rate debate if this is the case.

As for the Reagan boom, it is just one part of the much bigger data set, just like all the other booms and downturns over the last 70 years or so, and it could be attributed to other causes such as the Federal Reserve lowering interest rates and/or a normal business cycle moving into recovery.

Furthermore, the economy has fared less well in more recent years with even lower tax rates than were in place under Reagan.

 With W. Bush’s cuts in place at sub-Reagan era levels, the economy was shrinking at an astounding 8.9 percent annual rate during the last quarter of 2008.

So does this mean we should raise taxes?

No, it only means that varying tax rates within the range that we’ve seen in recent history does not substantially affect economic output, that we are on the upside of Laffer, that cutting taxes will decrease revenue, and that increasing taxes will increase tax revenue.

 

Craig Berry, Kapa‘a

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57 comments:

  • MichaelMann posted at 10:46 am on Sun, Mar 18, 2012.

    MichaelMann Posts: 458

    Wheeulz, I have dealt with exactly the same backlash as you have for your comments here. The problem is that people, especially here I have noticed, can't see a complaint as an opportunity to IMPROVE. They always view it as a slight, as an offense, as somehow DISRESPECTFUL. It's total bulls***. People here wish to believe and wish to present to the world this idea of Hawaii in general, and Kauai in particular, as being some kind of utopia. I believe the physical beauty of Kauai is on par with the most beautiful places I've ever seen; however, the behavior of many of the people is among the ugliest and most surreal. If you dare to bring it up, you are told to go back to where you came from. There is no introspection here. There is never a sense of "What can we do to make the place even better." You'd expect Utopia to be devoid of race warfare, class warfare, nepotism, environmental irresponsibility, personal irresponsibility, etc., but it isn't the case, and these people DEY NO KEA.

     
  • wheeulz posted at 3:10 pm on Tue, Mar 13, 2012.

    wheeulz Posts: 2420

    [quote]procketman said: "I feel really comfortable in Portland and happy in Eugene."[/quote]


    As long as a town has a bowling alley, I'm pretty much comfortable anywhere. I've bowled with big-bank presidents and guys covered with tattoos and piercings. They all squatted behind two shoes.

     
  • RGGJR1 posted at 8:51 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    RGGJR1 Posts: 14

    Procketman I think its sinister to charge more because the fuel they make it with night or day at any given hour costs them the same per gallon, the smart meter will keep them from spinning out more power than they need too, preventing brown outs from a lack of power needed for the demand.

    Tier pricing sucks.

    Micro bursts of draw use doesn't bother me, they'll never figure out what we got running over here, we step up their 2 phase into 3 phase power to save money on power use with our different shop tools, there's some real monsters over here, will make an arm or leg into ground meat in no time, in a flash and your disabled for life.

    When they go down a flip of a lever and firing up the diesel juice maker and we're back to work in a couple of minutes, still looking forward to the next generation of photovoltaic that will make juice in the dark from star and moon light and mandatory requirement that KIUC pay for surplus power than credit for use and no consideration for excess produced, then... yeah mean green!

     
  • John Zwiebel posted at 7:53 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    John Zwiebel Posts: 2089

    [quote]RGGJR iPhone said: "That is the real danger these things present- higher bills from peak Kw use time frames- like I keep saying its all about the $$$ folks!"[/quote]


    I wouldn't call it a "danger" since that makes it sound sinister.
    Other than that you and I (finally) agree on something. :-)

    As I posted several nights ago, old buildings with old wiring catch on fire all the time -- even with "dumb" meters. Even new houses have the same problem.

     
  • John Zwiebel posted at 7:41 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    John Zwiebel Posts: 2089

    [quote]wheeulz said: "Oh Ltereader -- to answer your question:Southern Oregon. By all means, urge your friends Not to come here. Especially Californians. Thanks! "[/quote]

    After driving through Grants Pass 4 times on trips to and from Seattle, believe me, I'll tell everyone to avoid it.

    OTOH, I feel really comfortable in Portland and happy in Eugene. So, like Colorado where you couldn't pay me to visit Colorado Springs again, one can't paint an entire state with the same brush.

    I imagine there are parts of Kauai folks should avoid. I don't know where they are, in fact, it could be my neighborhood -- or part of my neighborhood, but whatever.

     
  • John Zwiebel posted at 7:27 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    John Zwiebel Posts: 2089

    [quote]Emerald said: "NONE of the Obama debt would have occurred if Al Gore had taken his rightful place as the legitimate winner in 2000."[/quote]

    Kerry in 2004 would have put brakes on it.

     
  • John Zwiebel posted at 7:21 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    John Zwiebel Posts: 2089

    [quote]bpeyton said: "When flights are cancelled, for whatever reason, waiting passengers have to camp out at the airport. You see this happen all the time - people sleeping on the floor, on benches, or wherever they can find a spot. Oh, but that's at other airports. Not in Lihue. We kick everyone out. Sorry folks. Good luck. Aloha.Maybe there should be a contingency plan to keep the airport open at such times? Ya think?"[/quote]

    Doesn't the airline usually take charge and provide vouchers for the passengers?

    Where's Hawaiian Air?

     
  • bjduks posted at 7:15 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    bjduks Posts: 1254

    We are not a great nation,according to our community organizer. As he said on his world Apology tour,&bowing to a saudi sheek no less!

    poor green stoned put the pipe down,like someone else said today,its ok to be Crazy as long as U don't hurt anybody!

    Get some truth&read the Roots of Obamas Rage! Find out who this wizard in the white house really is&his Agenda for America! Be Afraid Very Afraid He is trying to bring america to its knees with his anti colonial agenda! Dreams from his Father!

     
  • wailuaguy posted at 6:41 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    wailuaguy Posts: 78

    Reading the comments on this forum blows my mind. Lots of hate,between the left and right. Many different view points, but nobody wants to give a little. IMO, this is the main problem of the whole country at this time. It's always, "my way or the highway". We need to drop the hate and find some common ground in a civil manner. I'm pretty tired of hearing, "It's Bush's fault, it's Obama's fault, its the CONs fault, its the PRO's fault". We are a great country. We need to get back to taking care of ourselfs and stop chasing the BS.

     
  • payback posted at 6:40 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    payback Posts: 1702


    “Whether this is new or old styles of wiring it should not matter to the smart meter”

    Well, there it is again, but when prockeman and I tried to say the same I now realize that we weren’t delicate and sensitive enough for this tough audience!

     
  • bpeyton posted at 6:37 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    bpeyton Posts: 1653

    missy, dude, cranky pants, honey

    Honolulu Advertiser. Rachel on CNN.


    FOX -load of poo

    eloquent?

    insert put down, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down,

    MWAAAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH..........

    Good night

     
  • wheeulz posted at 6:34 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    wheeulz Posts: 2420

    NO problem, bpeyton; no apology was needed. Sorry if I offended you.


    Ltereader, sweetie:
    Trash Oregon all you want; we love it.

    Remember our State Motto:
    "Welcome to Oregon. Now go home."

     
  • interesting posted at 6:01 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    interesting Posts: 1931

    [quote]realitydose said: "MSNBCNPRGIFoxCNNA local mainland paperYahoo NewsBBCWall Street JournalHonolulu AdvertiserI end with the Huffington Post, the most entertaining.Yahoo, the best summary news.BBC a Europe perspective.Fox has stories no other source, except maybe Yahoo/BBC/WSJ cover. "[/quote]

    ... not a bad list actually. better than average at least

     
  • bpeyton posted at 5:56 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    bpeyton Posts: 1653

    Yes wheeulz. I'm sorry. You did not say "nasty rumors". You just said "I'll direct them to the story about the people getting kicked out of the airport into the storm ... let them read it for themselves and make their own decisions." Great. Thanks.

     
  • RGGJR iPhone posted at 5:53 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    RGGJR iPhone Posts: 492

    Ltereader it was I who was there. The wiring I touched vase with in the last few posts on Saturday.

    In a nut shell the wiring works the same today as it did 100 years ago.

    Big changes have been in sheathing and grounding with in recent years safety breakers fro GGI to GFCI and now ARC fault types with most devices in the home running on 110-120 volts at 60Hz & usually under 15 & up to 20Amps until you reach the 208 to 240 circuit devices typically from 20 to 50 & sometimes 60Amp draws in residential to light commercial applications.

    Whether this is new or old styles of wiring it should not matter to the smart meter as it should measure draw at any particular time of day and then transmit this information from being stored on a memory chip such as calculators and such use to be micro burst wirelessly transmitted only a few- that's 3 or more but less than 6 times a day in 20 to 40 nano seconds ( those are thousands of a second for the clock watchers) so these transmission times from your smart meters are under 1 second in the course of a day- of course I'm pulling this from memory cells of my own so if some of my numbers are off- gawd I hope not!- my apologies

    It is my understanding these meters store info then transmit it only at certain set times so power companies can more tightly control output of power to save $; however if tier pricing goes into effect here those who use more power at peak draws will pay more for Kw use in those time frames.

    That is the real danger these things present- higher bills from peak Kw use time frames- like I keep saying its all about the $$$ folks!

     
  • kalaheo123 posted at 5:42 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    kalaheo123 Posts: 1052

    Does anybody know what RG is talking about?

    YO RG !
    You are killing me , man, you are killing me.


    YO Wheeulz,
    When are you coming to Kauai? We want you to come and visit us. The weather was totally awesome today. You gotta come visit... and soon (while the police chief is back at work).


    MWAAAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH..........

     
  • bpeyton posted at 5:34 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    bpeyton Posts: 1653

    And yet you thought Rachel Maddow was on CNN. You know, realitydose, you are certainly allowed to think FOX is fair and balanced if you want to. I think you're nuts. But it's a free country. You can be nuts if you want, as long as you don't hurt anybody.

     
  • wheeulz posted at 5:20 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    wheeulz Posts: 2420


    Oh Ltereader -- to answer your question:
    Southern Oregon.

    By all means, urge your friends Not to come here. Especially Californians.

    Thanks!

     
  • ethics guy posted at 5:13 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    ethics guy Posts: 137

    realitydose 4:52

    Bet you get a lot of old news from the Honolulu Advertiser.

    :)

     
  • wheeulz posted at 4:54 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    wheeulz Posts: 2420

    bpeyton:

    Read it again. I said nothing about spreading "nasty rumors." I said I would refer people to the story and let them reach their own conclusions.

    Ltereader:

    A little touchy today, honey? You called me "dude," I joined the fun by calling you "missy." Now you've called me "cranky pants" and I've called you "honey." Neener neener. Get over it.

     
  • realitydose posted at 4:52 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    realitydose Posts: 517

    bpeyton said: "Good information! realitydose should look at it. Wasn't FOX though, so probably won't happen."

    Just to clarify. I have a routine I do every morning. It takes an hour plus.

    I read the following news in order.

    MSNBC
    NPR
    GI
    Fox
    CNN
    A local mainland paper
    Yahoo News
    BBC
    Wall Street Journal
    Honolulu Advertiser
    I end with the Huffington Post, the most entertaining.

    Yahoo, the best summary news.
    BBC a Europe perspective.

    Fox has stories no other source, except maybe Yahoo/BBC/WSJ cover. If Conservatives blow it Fox reports it. If Liberals blow it, Fox covers it as well.

    Ex: A week ago the head of Media Matters caught paying nearly $1 mil. to his gay lover to cover up donor lists etc. Only Fox reported it. Liberal media passed. (Can you imagine if the head of the Tea Party got caught?) Romney, Santorum, Gingrich blows it in a speech. Front page on Fox. A conservative is caught with his pants down. Fox front page.

    Liberal media hides a lot. Fox reports both.

     
  • billyjoebob posted at 4:39 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    billyjoebob Posts: 1262

    Just got back from a business trip.
    Some of my observations.
    The airport dude really blew it. But the bigger picture is the policy, or lack there of.
    Most airports do not have much " aloha " just because there is no competition, I mean where else you gonna go. If you but ( t ) heads with anyone at an airport it is basically attitude at its best.
    Now about the businesses here, there is so much competition on the mainland that I was treated like a king everywhere I went so I would " tell a friend " and or come back. And I don't dress well or fit a normal tourist/business type profile., but was treated like I was.
    It is hard to find good employees and tourist type businesses here would be well advised to spend a little time with new ( and current ) employees with some basic people training skills.

    If I had been in the airport situation I would have most certainly let the guy call the cops, or call them myself.

     
  • ltereader posted at 3:16 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    ltereader Posts: 1580

    RGGJR, I know your family is very knowledgeable...they did my home inspection years ago. Not sure if you were with your Dad, or if it was a brother, but they did a thorough job!

    So with that knowledge let me ask you...do you think there's anything to those the reports that smartmeters are malfunctioning with older homes, or is that a load of poo?

     
  • bpeyton posted at 3:14 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    bpeyton Posts: 1653

    Eloquent!

     
  • RGGJR iPhone posted at 3:04 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    RGGJR iPhone Posts: 492

    Payback I put that in there because some people go nut$0 over my other avatar with my pistola to the point of saying that anyone with such an avatar isn't worth reading, quite to the contrary I have many pertinent things I've stated of which could save people hardships, misfortune, injury or death...

    That their disdain over a picture and applying it as a blanket representation of an individual because of it as unfounded and incorrect, that's all...

    In other words my knowledge is extensive in many fields and I use it not only as talking points but also to share with others for their beneficial use as well.

    Ignore me it you want, it could cost you your life or that of another- ignorance isn't bliss folks!

     
  • ltereader posted at 2:43 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    ltereader Posts: 1580

    bpeyton pretty much said it all, and much more eloquently than I would have!

    A few points missing though:
    > "and the people who claim smart meters give them headaches"

    We don't have smartmeters as yet. THAT'S observations and/or complaints from the Mainland, Canada, and Europe.

    Yes, I do work in the vac. business, as do most of us, and we don't need some over opinionated, bored, blogger telling visitors to avoid Kaua'i because we've had a few situations recently. Kaua'i is a wonderful place, and most are very happy with their vacations here.

    Now where is it again you live? I'll be happy to look up the news in your neck of the woods and make a mountain out of a molehill back atcha, cranky pants!


     
  • bpeyton posted at 2:38 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    bpeyton Posts: 1653

    Yeah RGGJR. Me too. If what you say is saving my life, well, thanks for that. Living is good.

    (what was he talking about, Payback?)

    Mentally petty?

     
  • bpeyton posted at 2:09 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    bpeyton Posts: 1653

    Wheeulz - when you hear about a place from afar, through the media, it gives an impression that what you are hearing is all pervasive in that place. I knew someone afraid to go to California for fear of being shot while driving on a freeway, because of news reports of such happenings. But 99.99999999% of the time people can drive on freeways in California and not get shot.
    I talk to tourists most every day. The vast majority love the way they are treated here. You want to spread nasty rumors about Kauai, you go right ahead. But don't expect us Kauai folks, who for the most part, love it here and treat visitors well, to like it.

     
  • payback posted at 2:08 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    payback Posts: 1702

    RGGJR, still can’t get a handle on this one from Saturday night: “And to think some here refer to me as a lunatic, silly, of no value to read, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down...

    I can only hope that you've read what I said that will save your life or that of another so that you can continue to...

    insert put down, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down, insert put down,

    So my picture scares, insults, or affects you in some obscure fashion... So what?

    Stop being mentally petty and get over it all ready…”

    Uh…what the hell are you talking about?
    Anyway, mahalo for saving my life (I think).

     
  • ltereader posted at 1:52 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    ltereader Posts: 1580

    [quote]wheeulz said: "As I remember, you're in the vacation-rental business. Instead of "whatever"'ing me, maybe you should exert some influence into getting these jacka$$e$ at the airport to clean up their act. Or, spend your time tilting at smart meters. Whatever, missy."[/quote]

    Back atcha'. Maybe you should focus a bit more on YOUR current events, rather than ours. You don't live here, however are one of the most opinionated people in our newspaper. And what's with the 'missy' stuff? Really wheeulz?

     
  • wheeulz posted at 1:46 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    wheeulz Posts: 2420

    bpeyton:

    Sorry, it's not just "one bad guy."

    It's the breast-feeding mother ... and the mayor and police chief hating each other ... and the people who claim smart meters give them headaches ... and ... it seems like it's going on and on anymore. Do you have any idea how much bad publicity for Kauai all this is generating in the media on the mainland?

    But, I'll tell you and Ltereader what I'll do: Rather than telling people I know to avoid Kauai, I'll direct them to the story about the people getting kicked out of the airport into the storm ... let them read it for themselves and make their own decisions. (And I'll tell them not to go near a Smart Meter, 'cause them babies will kill 'ya.)

     
  • bpeyton posted at 1:31 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    bpeyton Posts: 1653

    Rachel Maddow is on MSNBC, not CNN. FOX fair and balanced? You really shouldn't say that. No one will take you seriously if you say that. Believe what you want. Watch what you want. But that's just nonsense.

    Calm down wheeulz. One bad guy at the airport and no one should come to Kauai? This definately needs to be fixed. It will be. Square breathing.

    Good information Obsolete! Thank you. realitydose should look at it. Wasn't FOX though, so probably won't happen.

     
  • Emerald posted at 1:17 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Emerald Posts: 1037

    Response to Obsolete at 12:53 p.m.:
    Okee dokee, I did misunderstand your blog. My apologies.

    I thought it was a flat out total disagreement with what I said, which was puzzling, as I did go to your article and couldn't figure out how you came to that conclusion.

    My point is, however, further that in addition to the direct losses of revenue and increased expenses, the indirect losses due to the Bush eCONomic meltdown and outsourcing of our industrial and manufacturing base is the primary causative factor, and without the failed Bush policies, we would have continued the Clinton surpluses and NONE of the current debt would have been incurred under Obama, since all of it is in response to remediating the Bush collapse, with no help from the obstructionists who have stated that want him to fail.

    So I apologize for misunderstanding, but I stand by my conclusion. NONE of the Obama debt would have occurred if Al Gore had taken his rightful place as the legitimate winner in 2000.

     
  • realitydose posted at 1:14 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    realitydose Posts: 517

    Emerald - you seem to think I'm defending Bush? I'm not.

    Bush blew it on many fronts, but Obama has made it even worse on so many levels. I don't know if, or when, Bush would have said enough is enough and discontinued the huge bailouts. My guess is a lot sooner than Obama, who isn't through throwing your money away yet. He's now talking about another stimulus! With Chinese money!!!

    Our foreign policy is a joke, and Obama is viewed as such by our allies as well as everyone else, including Al Qaida and the Taliban! Other than Bin Laden, who was impotent, he's the best thing that ever happened to the largest terrorist organizations in the world. All of whom want you dead and now have a clear path to nuclear weapons to make that easy.

    It's actually painful to watch the most unbelievable country on earth turn into what we have become and what he's preparing for us. It's not pretty.

     
  • Obsolete posted at 12:53 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Obsolete Posts: 179

    [quote]Emerald said: "Response to Obsolete at 9:44 a.m.:You clearly didn't understand a single thing I said."[/quote]

    Umm, I was actually pretty much agreeing with what you said. I just said the deficit wasn't ENTIRELY due to the wars - the tax cuts were the single biggest piece of the deficit.

    Did you even look at the article I posted? Because it explains how almost the entire deficit can be attributed to policy changes made by Bush, not Obama.

     
  • wheeulz posted at 12:35 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    wheeulz Posts: 2420

    [quote]ltereader said: "Well that's just real peachy of you wheeulz! A few bad apples doesn't mean the entire Island is bad, but whatever dude."[/quote]

    As I remember, you're in the vacation-rental business.
    Instead of "whatever"'ing me, maybe you should exert some influence into getting these jacka$$e$ at the airport to clean up their act.

    Or, spend your time tilting at smart meters. Whatever, missy.

     
  • Emerald posted at 12:27 pm on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Emerald Posts: 1037

    Response to Unreality Overdose at 11:41 a.m.:
    Wow! Heritage Foundation!

    Now there's an objective, neutral source!

    But you still did not understand a single thing I said.
    You are still looking at the timeline - the calendar - of when expenses were incurred, not the causes.

    I understand the timeline.
    I am pointing out that war expenses, tax giveaways, corporate welfare and the constricted consumer/tax base, including those that occurred under Obama, are the CONsequence of the policies and eCONomic collapse Bush saddled with and with the RepubliCONz continue to obstruct.

    Even so, slowly, through the muck of the unprecedented obstruction, Obama is gradually turning it around, while those who kick and scream CONtinue to try to sabotage the Obama recovery.

     
  • ltereader posted at 11:48 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    ltereader Posts: 1580

    [quote]wheeulz said: "Until I see a story in TGI stating that these ignorant f'ups have been fired, I will tell everyone I know to avoid Kaua`i; go to Mau`i, Oahu or the Big Island instead. No empty threats here; just reality."[/quote]

    Well that's just real peachy of you wheeulz! A few bad apples doesn't mean the entire Island is bad, but whatever dude.

     
  • realitydose posted at 11:47 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    realitydose Posts: 517

    Wow - just read an article about the latest viewer ratings for all Television news shows!

    The first 13 highest rated and viewer watched News programs are all on Fox News!

    CNN was the first other network to break into the top 15 at number 14 with the Rachel Madcow show!

    Seems Americans know who's fair, balanced, and reporting all sides objectively after all!

     
  • realitydose posted at 11:41 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    realitydose Posts: 517

    Emerald did you say: "BUSH is the one who locked in the contractual and military commitments that are responsible for the ENTIRETY of the current deficits."?

    Did you really say that? Really!

    Bush expanded the federal budget in 8 years by $700 billion through 2008. Obama added another $1 trillion in 3 years.
    Bush began some finan­cial bailouts. Obama accelerated it dramatically.
    Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation. Presi­dent Obama has more than doubled that.
    Bush became the first President to spend 3 percent of GDP on federal antipoverty programs. Obama has already in­creased this spending by over 20 percent.

    All war spending is included in these numbers.

    Heritage Foundation Research

    Say you're sorry Emerdunce.

     
  • Emerald posted at 11:39 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Emerald Posts: 1037

    Response to Obsolete at 9:44 a.m.:
    You clearly didn't understand a single thing I said.

    You just look at a simple time line with no analytical ability or critical thinking necessary to consider the causative factors.

    Bush missed the terror warnings, allowed 9/11 and then, unlike Clinton's successful police action after the first WTC bombing, started a full-scale war, and allowed Bin Laden to get away.

    Bush invaded Iraq, unlike Clinton's successful policy of containment with No-Fly zones.

    Bush allowed massive tax giveaways and corporate welfare to benefit the few richest elites.

    Bush allowed massive outsourcing of jobs and an eCONomic meltdown that constricted the tax (revenue) base while increasing remedial expense needs.

    All of these were under Bush.
    All of these, one by one, are being addressed by Obama and the Democrats.
    But the military and contractual obligations Bush locked us into won't get undone overnight.

     
  • bpeyton posted at 11:21 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    bpeyton Posts: 1653

    When flights are cancelled, for whatever reason, waiting passengers have to camp out at the airport. You see this happen all the time - people sleeping on the floor, on benches, or wherever they can find a spot.

    Oh, but that's at other airports. Not in Lihue. We kick everyone out. Sorry folks. Good luck. Aloha.

    Maybe there should be a contingency plan to keep the airport open at such times? Ya think?

     
  • interesting posted at 10:54 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    interesting Posts: 1931

    so a poorly trained, educated, and paid local security guy made a bad decision? i dont see what the big surprise is

    its been public knowledge that state/local leadership at that airport has been very poor for some time

    that local security guy may have very well thought (and for good reason) that his doing anything than he did would result in some sort of penalty against him

    most would agree that the treatment at the airport is being extrapolated out to the larger community (a shame too as kauai is the sorts small town places where people would be helped out like they were family/neighbors)

     
  • wheeulz posted at 10:34 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    wheeulz Posts: 2420


    Most everyone I went to HS or college with, or worked with during my career, knows that I spent part of my boyhood on Kaua`i. I get asked a dozen or more times each year for recommendations about where to stay and what to see on Kaua`i.

    Right now, I'm so pi$$ed off at the morons at the airport who threw those travelers out in the storm, I am gnashing my teeth.

    Until I see a story in TGI stating that these ignorant f'ups have been fired, I will tell everyone I know to avoid Kaua`i; go to Mau`i, Oahu or the Big Island instead.

    No empty threats here; just reality.

     
  • iRGGJR posted at 10:08 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    iRGGJR Posts: 513

    If Obama loses the election it will be just peachy to watch the contrast of vileness towards the new President as compared to that which Nixon, Ford,Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush & Obama received... If Obama wins I bet he digs holes so deep a Democrat chance at the White House is over for as long or longer than what Carter left.

    I bet it is over the top... the vile from the left...

    Oh Emerald I left you a response you need to see in yesterday's posts since yours this morning...

    Your lack of class and tact rebuttal should be quite hilarious reading for all to see... I can hardly wait to see you blow your gaskets....... HA HA HA HA HA

    Shoo Fly

    Shoo Fly

    Shoo Fly

    Ya Twit

     
  • Obsolete posted at 9:44 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Obsolete Posts: 179

    [quote]Emerald said: "BUSH is the one who locked in the contractual and military commitments that are responsible for the ENTIRETY of the current deficits..."[/quote]

    This isn't entirely true, as illustrated in the graph in the link below:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/the-chart-that-should-accompany-all-discussions-of-the-debt-ceiling/242484/

     
  • Happy Accident posted at 9:33 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Happy Accident Posts: 473

    The Communist Party Awards
    http://www.trevorloudon.com/2012/03/communist-party-awards-rep-danny-k-davis-d-il-obama-%E2%80%98one-of-the-best-congressmen-in-the-country%E2%80%99/

     
  • interesting posted at 9:27 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    interesting Posts: 1931

    any honest person would note:

    1. "Obama has outpaced any President in history at running up deficits" is not true based on ww2 spending, for starters

    2. if you look at the last couple of years of bush 2, the spending trajectory under obama is roughly the same

    3. the cites to economists who, today, think that $1T or so in the stimulus package was a bad idea, are few (if any...but go ahead and provide links to them here)


    otherwise, one assumes these spending hawks actually admired how clinton managed spending/cutting/balancing, and got bent out of shape when Reagan started spending like crazy (but of course 90% only found religion about 3 months after obama was sworn in)

    what i am saying is: for those of us who read and have been paying attention since at least the 1980's, much of this "obama = spender" fervor is a big *yawn*

    one could go one about how many of the last 20 years there has been a GOP controlled congress, but 95% of GOPers wont acknowledge that role

     
  • Emerald posted at 9:21 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Emerald Posts: 1037

    Further response to Unreality Overdose at 8:50 am:
    Revised to make it more clear:

    More of your simplistic nonsense.

    BUSH, with TWO WARS OF CHOICE, tax giveaways and corporate welfare for the rich and allowing massive outsourcing that cost American jobs and constricted both the tax and consumer bases, is the one who locked in the contractual and military commitments that are responsible for the ENTIRETY of the current deficits, and which the RepubliCONz viciously obstruct Obama from fixing through their unprecedented abuse of filibuster.

    Fortunately, the grownups are back in charge and, despite the unprecedented obstruction from frat boy tantrums, are reversing the Bush eCONomic meltdown, the Bush employment crash, and even slowing and reversing the unprecedented, record deficits that Bush passed along and RepubliCONz locked in.

     
  • Emerald posted at 9:17 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Emerald Posts: 1037

    Response to Unreality Overdose at 8:50 am:
    More of your simplistic nonsense.

    BUSH is the one who locked in the contractual and military commitments that are responsible for the ENTIRETY of the current deficits, and which the RepubliCONz viciously obstruct Obama from fixing through their unprecedented abuse of filibuster.

    Fortunately, the grownups are back in charge and, despite the unprecedented obstruction from frat boy tantrums, are reversing the Bush eCONomic meltdown, the Bush employment crash, and even slowing and reversing the unprecedented, record deficits that Bush passed along and RepubliCONz locked in.

     
  • realitydose posted at 8:50 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    realitydose Posts: 517

    Emerald said: "Reagan’s mythological “boom” was based entirely on running up then-record budget deficits that were more than all previous administrations combined."

    Of course the fact that Obama has outpaced any President in history at running up deficits, and we're still firmly ensconsed in the biggest recession since the great depression, has no meaning.

    In actual dollars, President Obama’s $4.4 trillion in deficit spending in just three years is 37 percent higher than the previous record of $3.2 trillion under Bush in deficit spending for his entire presidency. It’s no small feat to demolish an 8-year record in just 3 years!

    There are only 4 times in 200 years of American history that deficits have exceeded even 6 percent of GDP!

    You got it! The Civil War, World War I, World War II, and under President Barack Hussein Obama.

    Get him out!!!!


     
  • wheeulz posted at 8:40 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    wheeulz Posts: 2420

    The dumba$$e$ who treated these people so stupidly at the airport should be fired -- simply as that.

     
  • AnonyMouse posted at 8:12 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    AnonyMouse Posts: 736

    Doesn't the Kauai Visitors Bureau have a 24-hour emergency number that the airport staff can call so we can help out stranded visitors in these situations. I think we've rescued some in the past but I don't know how that works. To put it bluntly, we need a solid plan to take care of our most precious revenue source. I know the hotels and VR managers will come to their aid if they only knew what was happening. Let's treat these situations with the importance they deserve. It's not only the right thing to do, but the smart thing.

     
  • Emerald posted at 8:10 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    Emerald Posts: 1037

    Response to Craig Berry (LTE) and Unreality Overdose at 7:05 am:
    There was NO REAGAN BOOM.

    None.

    There was only the feel-good, short-term, short-sighted euphoria of the shopaholic who feels just great while running up endless credit card bills, but not so good when the bills come due.

    Reagan’s mythological “boom” was based entirely on running up then-record budget deficits that were more than all previous administrations combined.

    Fiscally irresponsible, naïve CONservatives have great difficulty with such simple CONcepts as fiscal responsibility and living within your means.

     
  • realitydose posted at 7:05 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    realitydose Posts: 517

    Dear Craig - We hate to pop your bubble. You sound like you're so proud of yourself for plotting the tax rate/GDP chart. Good work!

    Only one little problem. Your data is skewed out of relevance by our micro-managing government.

    Congress just can't help itself. It just has to juice and goose the economy through it's IRS regulations to the point the rate becomes a one sided coin.

    Case in point. When tax rates were the highest during the 70's and early 80's the rich paid the fewest taxes. Loopholes and deductions were passed by Congress allowing for Real Estate, Oil and other investments to offset taxes on income to the extent taxpayers didn't have to show any income!

    Hate to pop your balloon, but it's full of bologna.
    (that's pronounced ba-lone-e for Emerdunce)

     
  • bjduks posted at 5:20 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    bjduks Posts: 1254

    3rd world Kauai?

    Kiuc employees jes doing what their paid to do?

    Tax more so our guardians can spend&give us more free stuffs?

     
  • ethics guy posted at 12:07 am on Mon, Mar 12, 2012.

    ethics guy Posts: 137

    Aloha Eve
    Thank you for your question.

    I can think of two things

    Nepotism and Good ol boy network

     

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