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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:45 pm

WAIMEA — On behalf of more than 150 Waimea residents, attorneys on Tuesday filed a lawsuit in Fifth Circuit Court on O‘ahu against Pioneer Hi-Bred International, a DuPont company.

The 58-page lawsuit alleges that Pioneer’s practices in the farming of genetically modified seed crops on fields next to Waimea unlawfully allowed pesticides and pesticide-laden fugitive dust to blow into residents’ homes on almost a daily basis for more than 10 years.

Honolulu attorney Gerard Jervis and Las Vegas attorney Kyle Smith said the amount requested in the lawsuit was not disclosed in the filing, but added that the amount is “substantial” and will redress and remedy the impact to residents and diminished value of more than 100 homes.

The suit, accompanied by numerous exhibits, contends that despite ongoing community complaints and a petition by Waimea residents in 2000 requesting relief, Pioneer’s GMO operations have continually generated excessive fugitive dust and used inherently dangerous pesticides without taking preventative steps to control airborne pollutants as promised by Pioneer and as required by state and county law.

The plaintiffs also allege that long-term, excessive exposure to dust and pesticides have resulted in reduced property values and physical damage to their homes.

They claim that they have been faced with constant cleaning and must live with windows and doors closed year-round for fear of pesticide- and dust-related health problems.

“The community is covered,” Jervis said. “(Pioneer) plows all the time. They send out notices regarding planting and spraying — planting is just another word for plowing … (Residents) are living in lock down, unable to open their doors or windows.”

He said residents contacted him a year ago and asked for help.

During the last year, he has had key people looking at the situation, including toxicologists and researchers. It eventually led to a sit-down meeting with DuPont at their request, Jervis said, “but that didn’t go anywhere.”

The fields up above Waimea have been plowed and left bare, Smith said, which creates live dust plumes a couple of hundred feet high.

“We’ve been bringing in some of the best experts in the country and the state to look at what’s going on,” he said, adding that the vast majority of the plaintiffs have lived in the area for decades.

This suit will not address health impacts, Smith said, because those are “thorny” issues, though a large number of residents claim they suffer from asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

“When you deal with dust long-term, there’s a host of respiratory impacts,” he said, but this “first” lawsuit seeks to address the impact on property values and cleaning.

Cindy Goldstein, the business and community outreach manager for Pioneer Hi-Bred, said on Tuesday she could not comment on the lawsuit.

“We’ve been a good community partner for over 40 years, and even though this suit has been filed, we’ll continue to be a good community partner,” she said. “Whenever someone files a suit, I can no longer comment.”

Pioneer leases the property it farms from Gay & Robinson Inc. and Robinson Family Partners, which are also named in the suit.

Visit www.thegardenisland.com to read the lawsuit.

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84 comments:

  • uamaukeeaokaainaikapono posted at 9:37 am on Wed, Dec 21, 2011.

    uamaukeeaokaainaikapono Posts: 68

    No forget, the issue is about clean air! If we can protect the shear waters, whales, Hawaiian monk seal, we can surely protect human beings. The hau bushes along side Waimea River was choke full of egrets---look now---hardly any---what happened to them? What about the coral reef off of the Waimea-Pakala area--damaged! Check the ridge east, above Waimea River--old, huge trees dead! Use to be so nice to look up there, not so nice now. Why do paint contractors tell
    Waimea folks to paint their homes using brown tones! How bad is that! These are examples of dirty air---no forget, it's all about clean air, we wish for it---maybe you too can help us and pray with us for clean air. But you should also read up about gmo foods---google Dr.Lorrin Pang of Maui and then make up your mind. No forget the motto of the State of Hawaii. If you don't know it, check it out, it makes more sense than anything else. Mahalo

     
  • uamaukeeaokaainaikapono posted at 9:14 am on Wed, Dec 21, 2011.

    uamaukeeaokaainaikapono Posts: 68

    At this point, whether one chooses to consume gmo foods is not the issue! The issue is clean air. We, Waimea folks, use to wait for and welcome the trade winds to cool us off. For the past decade, we have learned to dread the trade winds due to Pioneers dusty, pesticide laden fields. One must remember that the fields east and above Waimea are test/experimental fields and they spray their fields with pesticides (experimental stuff, for sure) from 4pm-10pm 6 days a week. During the day, they spray with fertilizer. I am sure that there are people who would move from Waimea Valley if they had the resources to do so---there are also people who love their home in Waimea Valley and their families have been there for decades---how can they move and leave their lives behind? ---very difficult!!! Some of the residents, especially the children, have bloody noses when spraying is done, others have irritated eyes, throat, etc.

     
  • shel posted at 8:35 am on Mon, Dec 19, 2011.

    shel Posts: 6

    [quote]mdmann said: "So let me get to the point a different way. Let's assume that the lawsuit succeeds wildly. Pioneer gets driven out. Are you guys going to stop there or go after the gov't officials that allowed the behavior to persist?"[/quote]

    As long as the spraying stops affecting our families, additional lawsuits (as far as I am concerned) will not be necessary. This isn't about laying blame - it's about stopping the problem. Efforts to work with government officials to prevent this sort of thing from happening again will definitely be needed. I'm sure the community will need to follow up with getting legislation put in place to protect other communities facing the same issues. I understand that your main issue is with the (perceived) negative impact on the westside economy. I ask you to understand that my main issue is protecting my children.

     
  • waigirl2 posted at 3:25 pm on Sun, Dec 18, 2011.

    waigirl2 Posts: 1


    The State Employees better watch out they going be next since they spray the sides of our roads with big bad Roundup.

    You can buy it over the counter what going to sue the stores for selling it.

    Come on get real if its the kids you worry about go after the big issue "DRUGS" its killing more of our kids then the fugitive dust.

     
  • u all lozerz posted at 1:25 am on Sun, Dec 18, 2011.

    u all lozerz Posts: 4

    Most are missing the point. If you don't think Kauai is used as a big petri dish, WAKEUP! We are jus a lil bit isolated and under certain conditions hard to replicate..ya think?
    And the folks that think it's only westside....how do ya think the "Ag experiment station" was named? Because Monsanto was testing agent orange and paraquat for use as weapons in the vietnam war in the sixties and seventies up past loop road in Wailua...oppsie, did I give away that little secret. DUH people. Wakeup.
    And, I think I have stated the obvious unpopular:
    How about holding the landowner responsible for what's going on? Don't tell me they don't know what's going on when they leased it to these petrochemical ag people. Who is the most complicit here? Hard to say....

     
  • Y may a posted at 1:17 am on Sun, Dec 18, 2011.

    Y may a Posts: 6

    http://bulatlat.com/main/2011/12/13/intl-tribunal-finds-agrochemical-tncs-guilty-of-violating-human-rights
    This article explains the magnitude of the problem. These large corporations have tied the hands of our government in many ways. We will continue to go after the corporations responsible for the use of pesticides. Writing bills so the corporations can be held accountable is part of the battle.

     
  • mdmann posted at 4:11 pm on Sat, Dec 17, 2011.

    mdmann Posts: 985

    [quote]Council members, Dept of Ag officials, and other government offices have been called and written to. I have personally made some of those calls. While Ag officials have gone up to the fields to check on violations, there has been no real action other than warnings to Pioneer. I've been told that due to short staffing, they cannot police all of the activity at Pioneer (and Syngenta, and BASF). The advice I was given was to keep calling when I see the dust. Government intervention efforts have simply not been enough. I am NOT an anti-GMO person, persay. My issue is with the fact that there are children being affected by the dust and pesticides. Granted this will affect the economy, but that does not outweigh my need to protect my children.[/quote]

    So let me get to the point a different way. Let's assume that the lawsuit succeeds wildly. Pioneer gets driven out. Are you guys going to stop there or go after the gov't officials that allowed the behavior to persist?

     
  • u all lozerz posted at 4:04 pm on Sat, Dec 17, 2011.

    u all lozerz Posts: 4

    Oh people, come on! The GMO's are in Waimea and they also were/are? on Molokai because the prevailing winds and topography keep the GMO's from being "contaminated" by any cross-pollination.Learned that from my pops who used to work for a little company called C. Brewer (now B.E.I.). and the way cane was done dosen't make it right..when they burned the cane, the irrigation tubing emits cyanide gas, BTW. Paybacks for the Robinsons and their reservation/petting zoo mentality of the white man's burden? Yeah, they'll never give it up. Scots neva give up land. And Keith would run you off with a shotgun for picking flowers for lei(happened to a girl) let alond let you on his land to farm.

     
  • shel posted at 8:26 am on Sat, Dec 17, 2011.

    shel Posts: 6

    [quote]mdmann said: "I'm sorry, but if Pioneer has been "clearly ignoring" laws for 10 years, then why haven't your government representatives been held accountable for not upholding the law?[/quote]

    Council members, Dept of Ag officials, and other government offices have been called and written to. I have personally made some of those calls. While Ag officials have gone up to the fields to check on violations, there has been no real action other than warnings to Pioneer. I've been told that due to short staffing, they cannot police all of the activity at Pioneer (and Syngenta, and BASF). The advice I was given was to keep calling when I see the dust. Government intervention efforts have simply not been enough. I am NOT an anti-GMO person, persay. My issue is with the fact that there are children being affected by the dust and pesticides. Granted this will affect the economy, but that does not outweigh my need to protect my children.

     
  • D Woods posted at 6:33 am on Sat, Dec 17, 2011.

    D Woods Posts: 15

    just seems like common sense that the westside residents should push for plots of half acres or to be managed and used for organic farms that would produce food we can ACTUALLY EAT and supply to all of Kauai...we should be moving towards a self sufficient island!!....maybe even a chicken farm producing eggs.....and so on....everyone needs to go to Kilauea and study Malama Kauai's gardens... and there would be plenty of work for everyone...but...I guess common sense just isn't that common.

    I commend the westside for finally taking a stand....don't back down...run Pioneer and their GMO strains out of town....there is a whole island behind you!

     
  • mdmann posted at 10:07 pm on Fri, Dec 16, 2011.

    mdmann Posts: 985

    Did anyone in the group of people who engaged in the fight you describe ever contact the EPA? It does not make ANY sense to me that a whole community was complaining about a problem which you claim was a "clear" violation of the law FOR TEN YEARS and nobody was able to do anything about it. There are only three conclusions I can draw from it. Either:

    1) There is a serious government coverup going on at the local, state, and federal levels
    2) These experts have been very mistaken about what is going on, and Pioneer is not actually to blame for the problem because it's due to something else.
    3) There is no problem, and this is some ploy by the anti-GMO crowd to remove the seed companies by any means necessary.

    If 1 is true, then the lawsuit is at the very least insufficient to correct the problem. If 2 or 3 is correct, then the lawsuit is just wrong, and this will just destroy the westside economy.

    SOMEONE plz explain how such an egregious illegal act can go unchecked for 10 years.

     
  • mdmann posted at 9:52 pm on Fri, Dec 16, 2011.

    mdmann Posts: 985

    [quote]How do you propose that this situation be handled?

    The community is trying to get Pioneer to adhere to the laws that they are subject to, but clearly ignoring. What other option do they have?[/quote]


    I'm sorry, but if Pioneer has been "clearly ignoring" laws for 10 years, then why haven't your government representatives been held accountable for not upholding the law? See, this is part of the problem I have with this. It is very easy to say "we are going to stick it to these outsiders who've been messing with us," and that totally flies here as it's normal behavior, but it seems to me that if what you are saying is true, then your own elected officials...likely your family and friends...are not being held equally accountable for their part in it. THAT IS WRONG, and it undermines this whole thing. As foodie said, why are these other parties not named in the suit? It looks very suspicious on the face of it, and when the anti-GMO crowd get involved, it looks even worse....

     
  • maddad posted at 1:25 pm on Fri, Dec 16, 2011.

    maddad Posts: 5

    [quote]foodie said: there are avenues to address fugitive dust and pesticides: county, state dept of env health, SWCD, EPA. If truly none of these responded to community-wide complaints, that is a serious, serious allegation at the heart of this issue, so why aren't they named in the suit? Look at Pflueger, even he didn't go down alone."[/quote]

    This is an excellent point. Now that this issue is getting some public attention, maybe the state, county, etc. will be more responsive to the situation. There were county officials at a few of the community meetings, but what they did with the information they gathered from the toxicology experts, environmental people and the community, is a mystery. If it all got filed away, that doesn't do us any good. I wholeheartedly agree that there are more people to be held accountable for this mess getting as bad as it has. It's time now for someone to step up and help make it better.

     
  • foodie posted at 11:58 am on Fri, Dec 16, 2011.

    foodie Posts: 4

    [quote]maddad said: "The muddling of the issues is not necessarily being done by the people who filed the suit. Remember that this forum is open to anyone with access to a computer. For the community filing this suit, the issue is the dust in homes and the pesticides carried in that dust... To be dismissed as money-mongers is insulting."[/quote]

    maddad, thank you for clarifying. My comments about the GMO discussion were intended to be an indictment of TGI and participants involved for seeing an opportunity to incite the vitriol that successfully spewed forth on all sides of the issue in the forum. I never intended to dismiss anyone as a money-monger. However, there are avenues to address fugitive dust and pesticides: county, state dept of env health, SWCD, EPA. If truly none of these responded to community-wide complaints, that is a serious, serious allegation at the heart of this issue, so why aren't they named in the suit? Look at Pflueger, even he didn't go down alone.

     
  • Y may a posted at 11:09 am on Fri, Dec 16, 2011.

    Y may a Posts: 6

    http://www.panna.org/blog/guilty-charged
    This is a great article for people concerned about pesticide use, it's from PAN the Pesticide Action Network. It discusses a Tribunal that came to pass December 6th among nations. Please read the actual Tribunal that is available under the Adobe icon in this blog.
    Excerpt-
    "Truth be told, there were tears in my eyes as I sat there, translating and tweeting amongst the bustling crowd of media and hundreds of people, most of them farmers. After an intensive public trial covering a range of human rights violations, on December 6, the jurors issued a scathing verdict to the six largest pesticide and biotechnology corporations, urging governments to take action to prevent further harm. The crowd erupted in a roar of applause, and later, congratulations were shared in at least seven languages."
    Full article and tribunal-
    http://www.panna.org/blog/guilty-charged

     
  • maddad posted at 8:40 am on Fri, Dec 16, 2011.

    maddad Posts: 5

    [quote]foodie said: "Muddling the issues, lumping unrelated companies together, and the abrasive tones makes hearing or caring about what the anti-Pioneer folks have to say very difficult. When someone is dragging their fingernails down the chalkboard, you don't care why, you just make it stop."[/quote]

    The muddling of the issues is not necessarily being done by the people who filed the suit. Remember that this forum is open to anyone with access to a computer. For the community filing this suit, the issue is the dust in homes and the pesticides carried in that dust. The issue is their long term health. Everything else being discussed (property damage, GMO, the economy, etc.) is secondary. The tangents are taking away from the primary issue, which is that the residents are concerned for their health. Granted, the postings are getting heated, but remember that this is a community that has been fighting this battle for over a decade. To be dismissed as money-mongers is insulting.

     
  • maddad posted at 8:29 am on Fri, Dec 16, 2011.

    maddad Posts: 5

    [quote]mdmann said: I believe you are diminishing or just willfully ignoring a huge potential impact of this action, and that this could probably be handled a different way which didn't jeopardize the economic stability of the westside."

    How do you propose that this situation be handled?

    The community has been asking Pioneer to control the dust for over 10 years via petitions, calls, visits to the facility, and calls to our government officials. All of that produced no result. They have met with Pioneer management to ask that the community be given the consideration of not having fields near homes sprayed when there are strong winds blowing down into the valley area... they spray no matter which way the wind is blowing. The community is trying to get Pioneer to adhere to the laws that they are subject to, but clearly ignoring. What other option do they have?

     
  • mdmann posted at 12:32 am on Fri, Dec 16, 2011.

    mdmann Posts: 985

    [quote]Don't have the names of the chemicals, but I recall an expert saying that some of the chemicals Pioneer has used or is using have been banned in the US for some time.[/quote]

    This is pure nonsense. I know for a fact that Pioneer has to keep extremely detailed records of what they spray on every single field they manage. They also have to account for all of the chemicals they use, and they aren't even allowed to have "banned" chemicals on the premises. I don't even think they could purchase such chemicals, so where does this "expert" think they got them? This is just out of control. I saw exactly what records they had to keep, and they were quite serious about it. There are strict rules on their spray activity, they have to record it all, and they are subject to audits, so they must have documentation of what they've done where, and agreeing with their chemical inventory. You need to provide some proof of these "expert" assertions--I'll believe what I actually saw happening.

     
  • poipuKAI posted at 10:43 pm on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    poipuKAI Posts: 3

    cont- The dust that Waimea community is facing is coming directly from the fields that have been constantly sprayed with different pesticides. Don't have the names of the chemicals, but I recall an expert saying that some of the chemicals Pioneer has used or is using have been banned in the US for some time. Wouldn't that scare you especially if you are a parent and trying your best to keep your children safe and healthy? Dust, chemicals =same. The dust is red dirt laced with poisons. Next time the community has a meeting maybe they should invite all of you so you can really meet the residents and see photos, wipe clothes used to clean 3 times or more a day and then maybe empathize with them. It's really tough here, we all got things to do to keep our household running okay but the daily trials of being "scared" keeps us with heavy hearts. We are not viscious savages, nor money mongers, just local people who chose to live here and are tired of living in fear.

     
  • Polynesian posted at 10:37 pm on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    Polynesian Posts: 21

    SAY NO TO GMO. Grow Organic, get the poison off our island Now!

     
  • poipuKAI posted at 10:19 pm on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    poipuKAI Posts: 3

    I believe that Dow did not have appropriate permits to do what they were to spur so much dust in Kaumakani. That's why they were cited.
    Pioneer's center is working on creating crops that can withstand pesticides, that's the reason they spray so much. They don't just spray weeds, they spray the corn which can withstand the harsh pesticides because the corn has been modified to be resistent to that specific poison. This is why they don't have to carefully spray, they can use huge nitro sprayers to spread throughout the fields and even use winds for their benefit. Pests (bugs) are non-existent in the corn plants because the plants have been genetically forced to carry pesticides in the whole plant. I always wondered why my daughter couln't eat corn in the last six years, her throat would become itchy and uncomfortable. I'm sure it's GMO corn. So now if she wants to eat corn, it has to be orgnanic, non-GMO- it can be a hybrid, just not GMO, she cannot ingest poisons-she's too sensit

     
  • mdmann posted at 9:20 pm on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    mdmann Posts: 985

    [quote]...that is just stupid.[/quote]

    I agree, that analogy was just stupid.

    [quote]Every cause is bettered when voices join together.[/quote]

    Only when the cause is clear and doesn't get conflated with other issues--like trying to eliminate GMO. You've failed in that regard here.

    [quote]If we all have the same complaint to be made, why not do it together.[/quote]

    Nobody is denying you such a right. But I believe you are diminishing or just willfully ignoring a huge potential impact of this action, and that this could probably be handled a different way which didn't jeopardize the economic stability of the westside.

    [quote]That is not a mob - that is organization.[/quote]

    Oh, mobs can be organized. Irrationality is the problem.

    This action will cause more harm than people realize. This idea that I don't care for people's health is just ridiculous... I think there are probably better ways to handle this, and the westside is going to pay a heavy price. Don't complain.

     
  • mdmann posted at 8:54 pm on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    mdmann Posts: 985

    [quote]Do you think they would really care about you if you were employed there? Ask some ex workers,will you?[/quote]

    Needfreshair, this comment could be made about ANY employer. Perhaps even EVERY employer. And for your information I did work at Pioneer for one summer, so I have some idea of what actually goes on there. And you're talking to someone with a degree from a world-ranked technological institute.

    My claim is not that jobs are more important than health. My claim is that BOTH are important, and many of you don't realize just how important jobs are. If this were just about dust and pesticides, that would be one thing, but when you guys add this irrational fear of "GMO" (and I don't think many of you even actually understand what that term means), it severely calls into question what the motivations are. Pioneer Hi-Bred does selective breeding, which is an agricultural technique that has been used by humans at least as far back as the ancient Egyptians, if not far longer.

     
  • interesting posted at 7:02 pm on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    interesting Posts: 1931

    [quote]foodie said: "The lawsuit is about property damages due to dust and pesticide use by Pioneer. Are use of GMO crops on trial too? "[/quote]


    -- well sure, its kauai (where the loud are many, and educated few)

     
  • interesting posted at 6:56 pm on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    interesting Posts: 1931

    [quote]wiseguy said: "Lets talk about living off the land. No one will argue the concept of sustainability. If we all produced our own food it makes the smallest carbon foot print possible. However, it comes with a price. It means roughly 70% of us will be farmers. It's a all or nothing concept. So who's ready to roll up there sleeves and farm? No equipment, no Costco. Only you to provide for your family. In 1840 69% of us were farmers.....1990 2.6% of us were farmers. Here's the data:http://www.agclassroom.org/gan/timeline/farmers_land.htmAs for GMOs, do your homework. Do you not like them because of what your neighbor said or what you read in the Garden Island? If your reading this you have a computer....use it. Here's a recent article on the EU forcing France to lift its ban. Why? Because there was no data to show that it was unsafe.http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/09/us-eu-court-gmo-idUSTRE7883TN20110909"[/quote]


    -- thanks for offering the farming numbers and cites

     
  • interesting posted at 6:54 pm on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    interesting Posts: 1931

    [quote]Needfreshair said: "mdmann this is for you and your kind-Now I understand and realize why other countries have overtaken the United States academically and economically. "[/quote]

    -- because we dont emphasize math and science enough, and have been spending too much and saving too little in a world were a number of competitive industrialized economies have grown up around us?

     
  • foodie posted at 2:11 pm on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    foodie Posts: 4

    The lawsuit is about property damages due to dust and pesticide use by Pioneer. Are use of GMO crops on trial too? The article uses the phrase only for rabble rousing. An organic farm creating dust and using chemical A instead of chemical B for pest control would be better? Complaints to the County and State led to fines for Dow (another G&R tenant) but not Pioneer. If dust has been such a clear problem, then either no one went through regulatory channels or the govt is not doing its job in this case where they have in others and should have been named in the suit. I believe there are significant ethical concerns about GMOs and monocrop agriculture in general that only a handful of people here have addressed. Muddling the issues, lumping unrelated companies together, and the abrasive tones makes hearing or caring about what the anti-Pioneer folks have to say very difficult. When someone is dragging their fingernails down the chalkboard, you don't care why, you just make it stop.

     
  • maddad posted at 10:46 am on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    maddad Posts: 5

    [quote]mdmann said: " I'm no friend of big business per se, but there is a limit, and this mob mentality is over it.

    This is not mob mentality. Do you have kids? If you do, consider what you would do if somebody stood in front of your house and sprayed Roundup for hours on end while your kids were playing right there... would you be okay with that because the sprayer was earning a decent wage? Would it be acceptable to know that by exposing your kids to this poison, he was helping the economy of Kauai? NO - that is just stupid. This is not mob mentality. It is parents and families trying to protect their own. It is individuals who are sick of being stepped on. Every cause is bettered when voices join together. If we all have the same complaint to be made, why not do it together. That is not a mob - that is organization.

     
  • Nicolai posted at 9:09 am on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    Nicolai Posts: 177

    Jobs are certainly a good thing. And agricultural production of any kind is good, even if it is Monsanto seed corn. There is mass hysteria around GMOs and pesticides, often hypocritical, often warrented. Fact is they are just another tool in the farmers' tool box with the potential to be abused. But there are regulations and best management practices that make the cons acceptable to most people. Consumer choice will make GMO seed worthless.

     
  • wiseguy posted at 5:08 am on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    wiseguy Posts: 17

    Lets talk about living off the land. No one will argue the concept of sustainability. If we all produced our own food it makes the smallest carbon foot print possible. However, it comes with a price. It means roughly 70% of us will be farmers. It's a all or nothing concept. So who's ready to roll up there sleeves and farm? No equipment, no Costco. Only you to provide for your family. In 1840 69% of us were farmers.....1990 2.6% of us were farmers. Here's the data:http://www.agclassroom.org/gan/timeline/farmers_land.htm
    As for GMOs, do your homework. Do you not like them because of what your neighbor said or what you read in the Garden Island? If your reading this you have a computer....use it. Here's a recent article on the EU forcing France to lift its ban. Why? Because there was no data to show that it was unsafe.http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/09/us-eu-court-gmo-idUSTRE7883TN20110909

     
  • bjduks posted at 4:45 am on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    bjduks Posts: 1254

    :ets all go on welfare&foodstamps jes like they do on m lolokai? we can then go bak to living off the land!

     
  • poipuKAI posted at 4:14 am on Thu, Dec 15, 2011.

    poipuKAI Posts: 3

    After reading this article I applaud these people of Waimea!!
    GMO and pesticide use will be the destruction of this beautiful island.
    Having reside in the mainland (where it seems that more people are educated about GMO's) I would rather see (as noted by Needfreshair) development rather than GMO testing sites. GMO and pesticides (like cancer) will slowly kill off the innocent people of this island and will eventually be the destruction of Kauai. EMPLOYEES of this company should EDUCATE themselves before taking a job that produces more harm than good to theirselves and their community.
    #justsaying

     
  • Needfreshair posted at 11:46 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Needfreshair Posts: 6

    mdmann this is for you and your kind-Now I understand and realize why other countries have overtaken the United States academically and economically. The mentality of believing that jobs being more important than saving the earth and its people is quite alarming. Do you know what these companies have done or is doing to other countries? Waimea residents are not the only ones suffering. Mdmann, consider the big picture, don't think so small. These big corporations are running us over and pushing their interests ($) into making you believe that they are saving the people by employment. Hey, they really don't care about the environment which includes the people. Do you think they would really care about you if you were employed there? Ask some ex workers,will you?

     
  • mdmann posted at 11:24 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    mdmann Posts: 985

    Let me tip you off to something...the Robinson Family IS NOT going to turn that land over to you people to do community farming or any other type of farming. It isn't going to happen. You are clearly smoking the wacky weed if you think it will happen. If you drive out the seed companies, I predict that land will be sold off to developers within 5 years, 10 tops. Then you guys are going to be in a fine mess, because any sense of agricultural feel the westside once had will be completely eradicated. You'll get high end condos and housing developments, a westside resort or two, shopping centers you can't afford to shop in, traffic, and a complete loss of the feeling of community you thought you had. You will look back on this time, and though you should kick yourselves for being so utterly shortsighted, you'll stupidly blame "the newcomers" for messing up everything. Hey...but I wish you good luck on your lawsuit! Heaven help you on the long term mess it will cause.

     
  • mdmann posted at 11:09 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    mdmann Posts: 985

    I can tell you this...Kauai already has very little to offer its youth in terms of stable jobs. I'm no friend of big business per se, but there is a limit, and this mob mentality is over it. It's like cutting your leg off to try to save your foot. If you guys keep attacking the few companies you have here, you aren't going to have anyone offering you any kind of stable salary--you don't have much of an economic base here, people. You think you have a drug problem now...just wait until there are no jobs whatsoever. You complain about the ag businesses, you complain about PMRF, you complain about the tourists, you make it impossible to get alternative energy enterprises started up...what exactly do you expect to do for gainful employment once you drive out everything? You gonna sit around all day picking 'uku out of each other's hair? When I worked in Waimea, it was horrible when the cane fields were burned. I never heard people calling for sugar to leave. You people are such a joke.

     
  • Nicolai posted at 10:58 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Nicolai Posts: 177

    Seed corn on Kauai is a classic case of poor soil management practices. There has been only one instance where I noticed them using cover crops and that only on about an acre. Nearly always, they leave soil bare (perhaps to prevent contaminating seed with weed seeds?). The soil is exposed to wind and washes away during rain. There are not even windbreaks either. The movement of soil by erosion degrades the environment and often causes just as much problems where it ends up as where it left. Case in point, dusting peoples homes and earlier this year when it was noticed damaging the reef nearbye. It's just flat out Poor soil management and they aught to be better stewards of the land. Im surprized they didn't get in trouble sooner.

     
  • Needfreshair posted at 10:52 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Needfreshair Posts: 6


    wise guy- Not to wise when it comes to pollution and health woes. You really don't understand what is really going on, one day you will.
    Yes, if all foods were labeled, I know a lot of WISE people would not be purchasing those goods. And, you shouldn't talk if you don't live in the Waimea area. Right now I personally would rather have a shopping mall up there than live under the conditions we have been in the last 10+ years. Try spraying in your bedroom some Roundup before you go to sleep.

    All talk- Do your homework. A lot of the residents in the valley were here before the sugar plantations. Dust came only every 18 months and it lasted only for harvest days, not all year! And, pesticides were not used until the 1950s. Clean dust is so different from dust laden with pesticides. Hope you learned something new! And, this is our home, don't tell us to leave, have Pioneer leave- we were here first!! and- for your information, not all tofu are GMOs- some of us do check labels

     
  • masonry posted at 10:44 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    masonry Posts: 1

    Seeing Waimea Valley in a situation like this is very sad. With the natural resources, the environment and the people who live here being covered with pesticides is terrible. I'm the fifth generation of my family to live in Waimea Valley,I can see a big difference in our shrubery and especially the huge fruit trees that dwell for decades along-side the roads and in the people's yards that are affected by the pesticides a few of them, one century old. The valley was all about history, today is money and that's the problem, the cancer rate is tremendous, not like before, many of the oldtimers died of old-age not pesticide poisoning. Pioneer making millions off of the corn seeds, they no-care about the people and the history of Waimea Valley. Pioneer should have it back ten times worst, the old style way of praying to our ancestors are still alive in some of us and as what we going do. This is not all about money like some say, this is about our life which means more to us then corn.

     
  • AllTalk posted at 10:12 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    AllTalk Posts: 5

    There has been farming in that area for over 100 years, so has the dust. Nobody forced you to move there. Nobody is stopping you from leaving.

     
  • shel posted at 10:08 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    shel Posts: 6

    [quote]paka said: Why is this now a problem? Seems as if it is just another attack by transplants that always need to change things to suit how they want to live.

    Take a look at the names listed on this lawsuit. A majority of them are long-time Waimea residents. It is not a matter of transplants looking to change things to how they want it. It is a matter of long-time residents finally finding the means and voice to stand up for themselves against a corporation that has sold them cheap. Waimea people deserve to be treated with respect. Just because the westside climate is perfect for this kind of "agriculture" (and I use this term VERY loosely), that does not mean that the people and the land should be exploited. What Pioneer is doing is criminal. They are exposing hundreds of people to chemicals that are KNOWN TO CAUSE CANCER AND A NUMBER OF OTHER HEALTH PROBLEMS. And they are doing this all to produce a perfect seed crop. Do your homework before you comment.

     
  • AllTalk posted at 10:07 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    AllTalk Posts: 5

    There are people who signed that petition who went to work there after signing and are currently working there . So why are they working there if they are afraid. I have friends and family that work there. 300 employees, less than 15 that are mexican or micronesian. You do not eat products that are gmo? Here is a little for you to think about:Salad Dressings,Infant Formula, Baby Cereal, Hamburgers and Hotdogs, Margarine,Processed Meats, Mayonnaise, Crackers, Chocolate, Cookies, Candy, Frozen Foods, Chips, Tofu, diet drinks, Ice Cream, Frozen Yogurt, Soy Sauce, Pasteurized Cheese, Tomato Sauce, Marinades

     
  • wiseguy posted at 9:52 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    wiseguy Posts: 17

    I can't wait for them to close. Then we can grow our own crops there. It'll be great. We'll just have to maintain the irrigation infrastructure, hire workers, and pay the taxes. I'm guessing a mango or papaya would go for about $20 each with the overhead costs...what a deal! Next we can build homes there. With that many acres I'm sure we could fit at least 10-15 subdivisons. Increased traffic and household waste will be great for the environment. Within 20 years it will be just like Oahu, how awesome! Shopping centers and grocery stores on every corner. Who needs the open spaces that is protected by agriculture. There won't be many jobs on the westside, but Molokai manages just fine with their high unemployment rate and the majority of the population working on Maui. Commuting to Oahu will be a breeze!

     
  • Y may a posted at 9:34 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Y may a Posts: 6

    We all see different angles. Here's mine. As a delivery guy I see a lot of effort by the "corn dogs" to beef up their security with boulders, hurricane fences, gates, security shacks, check in and check out of each location. The adage goes "The worst criminals have the loudest burglar alarms". They're on to us, no worries, they are criminals, justice will prevail. They will pay and be forced to leave as a result of their abuse.
    Oh have you heard the one about the solar panels? The solar panels they got out of their own Dupont warehouses the largest installation on the island, all to look green. Do you think they got government rebates? Please what further favors will they come up with next for this island? Anything they give us is a write off or for their own best interest. They're so outa here!

     
  • SteelerNation posted at 8:51 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    SteelerNation Posts: 1

    Good thing these fields are in Waimea and not Kapaa. The GMO test center would've been burned down by now.

     
  • Kanoe posted at 8:43 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Kanoe Posts: 2

    ahbustae86- yes, the dust is a killer!! But the west side does not need Pioneer. Pioneer needs Waimea. The precious open land, the best climate in the world to do experiments is right here with exploitation of the locals. Employment? How many locals work for this company? How many from Mexico and Micronesia being employed? Is the manager and supervisors even US citizens?

    AllTalk- You are not aware of what's happening in Waimea. About GMO products, if there were labeling on produce, many informed consumers would choose not to purchase GMO products which carry unknown genes. I choose not to eat food with pesticides, but if you do, fine. About real estate, I guess you are unaware of the depreciation homes have when they are exposed to chemicals. Buy a house in Waimea and pay more than you should because you and your real estate agent were ignorant about the law.
    About the law suit.. Pioneer woke up only when attorneys came on board. They ignored the community for 11 years!!

     
  • maddad posted at 8:20 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    maddad Posts: 5

    [quote]waiolakai said: how much $$$ u think u going get after your lawyers fee's, yes, FEE'S!! $$$ is not everything!! take it from me, i have none, and i am sooo happy with what i have!! "[/quote]

    YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT -- IT'S NOT ABOUT THE $$$ Its about the fact that people are being poisoned. Ask around about how many cancer cases have happened in Waimea in the last 10 years (since Pioneer has been here). Ask around about how many kids and adults in Waimea have asthma. Ask around about how many people in Waimea suffer from headaches because they can smell the chemicals in the air that they breathe. Maybe you are one of the lucky ones that isn't affected by the pesticides. If so, great for you. Many of the people involved in this lawsuit aren't so lucky. If you sat in on one of the many community meetings they had, you'd realize that money is the last thing they're worried about -- the biggest issue is always about how to get Pioneer to stop poisoning the people.

     
  • Mahina21 posted at 8:16 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Mahina21 Posts: 1

    It clearly seems that many of you writers who are for Pioneer are clearly uneducated, and it is embarrassing to know that you ignorant people are part of Kauai's Community. What part of Genetically Modified Organisms, sound morally correct to any of you? It seems that you are all blind when it comes to this deadly corporation, many of you should wake up and realize that nothing else matters but profit in exchange of the lives of our local people!
    Pioneer was built on our nani island for our beautiful year round climate and our farming grounds, not only have they taken over the "Mom and Pop" local agricultural markets but have played with nature and are altering Ke Akua's work as well. You people need to wake up and inform yourselves and realize the local people fighting against this deadly corporation is for all the people of Kaua'i and the keiki of the future.

     
  • vallygirl posted at 8:11 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    vallygirl Posts: 8

    the issue is not $$$...lawsuit is a HAOLE concept...those including myself have lived in Waimea Vally for over 40+ years,have had to silent ourselves due to reprecussions for a number of reasons....and i guess we no longer choose to be silent...no im not an ignorant Hawaiian from Waimea Vally, matter of fact I have a masters degree in history and economics (big deal who cares). but what i do care about is quality of life for my family,lifestyle and the place i call home. Dupont/Pioneer is such a big coorporation "do you really belive "they care about people. They are just another BIG business that worship's the American dollar. If they are such good neighbors lets go GREEN and ORGANIC. Pay better wages not import outside LABOR

     
  • ZeroSeven posted at 8:10 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    ZeroSeven Posts: 69

    Yes.......lets keep our jobs that give us, and other people cancer. Get paid now....pay later to the doctors. Got medical?
    You gonna need it brah!

    Big corporations love to take advantage of ignorant desperate people for jobs....at the expense of health and environment.

    Pesticides and GMO hurt the children the most. What about them?
    Worth da money honey?

     
  • Kanoe posted at 8:04 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Kanoe Posts: 2

    It clearly shows how uneducated you people are who are for Pioneer

    bjduks: i hope you are not planning on having any kids or grandkids. Go on the web and read what pesticides are doing to the community, children, and even fetuses!

    waiolakai: you live in the valley? you must be either blind or so kapulu that you don't know the difference between dirty or clean. Maybe you should cut the bull and really live there and see how the valley is really like!!

    AllTalk: wow! you obviously have no clue what is going on! tests were proven! come on! get with it!

    *AND all of you who are for Pioneer really need to get with the program! what is wrong with you?! this makes me sick!

    You all think this is for money?! How shallow are you! The Waimea community is doing this for your kids and your kids' children.
    Pioneer is experimenting with GMOs and not concerned about the people! Don't you people know that? If things don't work out for Pioneer, they can leave, but the residents will still be there.

     
  • la_la posted at 7:58 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    la_la Posts: 1

    MONSANTO (PIONEER) = SEED of DEATH

    Never thought Waimea actually had some SMART people!

    @bjduks- hope you're not planning on having any children or grandchildren soon.

     
  • Jeepieboy posted at 7:34 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Jeepieboy Posts: 355

    Unfortunately, AnaholaGuy71, they ARE on our side of the island. There's a whole field full of them on the mauka side of Ahukini/Kapule from Lihue to Hanamaulu. I never used to have any allergies - now they're accelerated to the point where I have asthma and an inhaler. And I drive by there every day.
    Serious stuff here.

     
  • AnaholaGuy71 posted at 7:23 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    AnaholaGuy71 Posts: 1

    Thank God there are no GMO fields on my side of the island...atleast for now. The pesticides that are being sprayed upon this community may not have any effects on the people now but I can guarantee you there will be an increase in cancers and respiratory ailments on the westside of Kauai. Anyone read "Silent Spring" by Rachel Carson? Seems like the same situation here. I understand that Pioneer is creating jobs, but jobs for who? To import Micronesians and Mexicans? It makes me wonder if the manager is a citizen of the United States.
    Being a father of a 2 year old daughter I am thankful that companies such as Pioneer has not acquired itself on the eastside as children are the most suseptible to these harmful chemicals.

    Seems like some people from this island have to WAKE UP and actually educate themselves about GMO's and the harms these chemicals will create for ourselves as well as our future generations to come!

     
  • Jeepieboy posted at 5:59 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Jeepieboy Posts: 355

    [quote]Wai'alae said: "Dust? Pesticide? Pioneer? Waimea? Environment? People? etc.

    Well said. I was thrilled when I read this and applaud the west side for trying to change this deplorable situation. David is standing up to Goliath.
    Anyone watched Erin Brokovich (sp) lately?
    As Margaret Mead said:
    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
    Keep going westsiders, you have a lot of support.

     
  • paystatus posted at 5:13 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    paystatus Posts: 137

    The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
    The answer is blowing in the wind........Bob Dylan

     
  • Wai'alae posted at 5:03 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Wai'alae Posts: 1

    Dust? Pesticide? Pioneer? Waimea? Environment? People? Dust is generated everyday from the fields in which are left unplanted and exposed. Pesticide is being used everyday, not in small increments, we are talking hundred of gallons are being sprayed. Pioneer is a chemical research company, not a local farmer producing an edible food to eat, but messing with the genetics of a natural plant for the benefits for some kind of bio-fuel. The bugs would not eat these corn plant, would you? Waimea is a community that has always been left behind, in this case, left in the dust and sprayed of Pinoor and it is about time the people of Waimea stand up and make their statement that enough is enough. The environment surrounding Pioneer is also being affected by their poor practices with no concerns for anything or anyone. Pioneer says that they are good neighbors? How is that? What have they ever done for the community or for the people of Waimea? Jobs are given to seasonal immigrants not locals!

     
  • Ahbustae86 posted at 4:01 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Ahbustae86 Posts: 10

    You are a fool if you think the dust from these feilds are safe to breath in on a daily basis. The Westside needs Pioneer, but something has to be done to help these residents. Just because it was done in the past (living in dusty conditions) doesn't make it safe.

     
  • Needfreshair posted at 3:57 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Needfreshair Posts: 6

    Talking about sugar cane? How much do you know about the spraying techniques that were used? Was it with a nitro sprayer that was four or more feet above the ground and could spray an acre in 2 minutes because the arms were stretched out over 16 feet across? NO! The sabidong gang had their spray cans strapped on their backs spraying 6 or less inches from the ground! And- their sprayng practices were not often. Pioneer sprays everyday, and with our trades? You don't have to be a scientist to understand where the dust and pesticides are going? If you don't live in Waimea, don't talk! You need to experience the bad air to know what we all are going through. Get informed and don't be ignorant. Read about pesticides and dust and what they do to our children. Hey, if Pioneeer didn't think they were polluting Waimea, why would they agree to clean people's homes in the past? and-why are they trying to be good neighbors today? They were aware of the problem 11 years ago! Attorneys!

     
  • paystatus posted at 3:29 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    paystatus Posts: 137

    if the property and land values have been diminished from this, the proof would be over at the County Tax Office and values for taxation; if the values have not been lowered by the County, then what ? bring the county into the suit and demand for lower tax values for the affected homes/land ? and lower revenue for the county, and so on and so on.....i say sue the county too !!!!!! eventually, as more and more pile onto the cart, the wheels will buckle from the weight; that is what will happen here and maybe the isle of kauai as a whole;

     
  • paystatus posted at 3:15 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    paystatus Posts: 137

    http://archives.starbulletin.com/1999/08/20/news/story1.html

     
  • thankUverymuch posted at 3:09 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    thankUverymuch Posts: 9

    If you're for or against GMO's, you might take some time and listen to this discussion and/or read or skim this article.

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/12/10/dr-don-huber-in...

    Internationally renowned natural health physician and Mercola.com founder Dr. Joseph Mercola interviews Dr. Don M. Huber, one of the senior scientists in the U.S about area of science that relates to genetically modified organisms (GMO).

     
  • Happy Accident posted at 2:19 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Happy Accident Posts: 473

    Looks like the plaintifs got an appropriate attorney from Honolulu:

    http://archives.starbulletin.com/1999/08/20/news/story1.html

     
  • shel posted at 1:52 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    shel Posts: 6

    To anyone questioning the motives of those who have chosen to file suit against Pioneer, please take the time to educate yourselves about the situation. This is not all about the money -- it's about the chemicals that the community is being exposed to -- it's about the health issues. The only way to get a corporation of Pioneer’s size to take notice is by speaking to them in their language – the language of money. Petitions and complaints to them on this dust issue have been circulated since 2000, but only when financial repercussions were discussed did Pioneer make any real effort toward communicating with Waimea residents. Pioneer has hundreds of acres of fields to work with -- WHY WORK THE FIELDS IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO HOMES????? Be the good neighbors you claim to be and really consider those impacted by what you are doing.

     
  • kimo232 posted at 1:32 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    kimo232 Posts: 6

    "At the heart of Hawaiian values is the concept of Malama 'Aina, to care for the land. These words are very strong and present with Kanaka Maoli people who practice their values every day. Many non-Hawaiians who have lived close to this precious land for a time have also come to deeply appreciate this way of being."

     
  • AllTalk posted at 12:13 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    AllTalk Posts: 5

    YaKauai, do u think it is that easy to start up a farm like that? It takes a significant amount of money to do that, something that not a lot of people have. And where would you sell these products? Sunshine markets. There is not businesses that would actually buy these products to put on their shelves.

     
  • bjduks posted at 12:03 pm on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    bjduks Posts: 1254

    Yes get bak in ur cave Loloman! U should try thimk befo u put yer ft where da mouf stay!

    we can all collect foodstamps&welfare,fish all day eat pupus compliments of our community organizer from yea U guessed it ACORN!

     
  • Yakauai posted at 11:17 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Yakauai Posts: 305

    hey Justapoet.
    i've got an idea howz about we grow food we can actually eat! there is no edible food that is grown on the west side by GMO folks. garden island, how about walking our talk. all because GMO folks leave that does not mean no more jobs. the folks in the fields can easly switch to grown actual food for kauai!

     
  • waiolakai posted at 11:04 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    waiolakai Posts: 13

    thank you very much "alltalk" and "paka"! its not that hard to figure out why your house is dirty, uh, maybe cause you no clean um!! i live in the valley, MY house is clean and i have a full time job, 2 kids that are busy, and i leave my house open, cause i hate living in one cave! and yeah, hacum only now everybody like "sue?" you know as much as i do, the reason is because of $$$ hungry SAVAGE people!! what about the workers, if this goes through, what then, how many employees get over there, maybe 400 good ball park, all JOBLESS!! people, come on now, this case should be a "open/shut" case, such a waste of time!! how much $$$ u think u going get after your lawyers fee's, yes, FEE'S!! $$$ is not everything!! take it from me, i have none, and i am sooo happy with what i have!!

     
  • justapoet posted at 11:01 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    justapoet Posts: 39

    I guess Pioneer could close operations and move it to some offshore country. Yeah we don't need jobs here. As John Brown rants about...We don't need corporations or businesses who thrive on the almighty dollar even though they create the majority of jobs. Yes, we can just depend on our government to provide us everything we need. No need to work, just soak off the system.

     
  • John_Brown posted at 10:17 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    John_Brown Posts: 752

    All yield and pay homage to the altar of the almighty dollar. Because Pioneer throws a little money around, who are we to question anything they do? Wow, the nerve of some people...

    This is exactly what certain people in our government want (*cough* GOP!). De-regulation and complete 'get out of the business' of those job creators!! They are hell bent on desecrating and turning everything into a huge cloud ball of pesticide if it means a second home in the Hamptons. They want to eliminate the EPA and give Wall Street back to the very people that tanked our economy while slowing floating down to earth thanks to the golden parachute we tax payers provided. SICKENING!! ALL OF THEM BELONG IN JAIL!! (Want to see a good documentary - Inside Job.)

    Back to the batcave... Pioneer is just another in a long line of corporate criminals. (BTW, they really have no choice but to hire locals to spray stuff.) They will not change unless forced. It's all about the $$$.

     
  • foodie posted at 9:22 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    foodie Posts: 4

    Clearly a case where it's someone else's fault that I bought/built my house next to land that has been in continuous farming for well over a century. And I agree that years of exposure to GMOs has led me to become a genetically modified human. My brother, 7 years my elder, and I have the same parents (probably), yet we are not identical twins! As an expert in genetics, I can say that this is clearly due to Pioneer playing with corn's genes and their meticulously documented use of heavily regulated pesticides. Also, the mass production of affordable insulin must immediately be stopped since it's derived from genetically modified bacteria. Who's on the bacteria's side? Torture of bacteria must end! Quick, get me that lawyer's phone number.

     
  • kolohalabindongo posted at 9:04 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    kolohalabindongo Posts: 10

    yallz need to relax!

     
  • Esatiene posted at 7:51 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Esatiene Posts: 446

    #1. How many decades sugar used pesticides? Fact: plantation workers kids had higher incidence of birth defects since intro of insecticides, plant hormones, pesticides, paraquat, etc. Fact: Paraquat, an accelerant used to speed the life cycle of sugar cane to kill it and render it dry and ready to burn. Paraquat was aerial sprayed for decades all over plantation areas on Kauai and all Hawaii. Fact: Paraquat's toxicity is 10-fold when burned. Fact: plantations usually burned the fields at night so as to hide the enormity of smoke blowing on/into homes and humans.

    Humans naively think GMO (Genetically Modified Organisms) refer only to plants and food and ignorantly skip over the fact that humans are ORGANISMS as well and members of the same chain of life that all the other organisms are. Humans sprayed with chemicals, humans who eat GMO foods, humans that take medicine and drugs and chemicals in food
    (e.g.: preservatives, etc) are themselves Human GMO's or genetically modified humans.

     
  • Willymanawilly posted at 7:51 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    Willymanawilly Posts: 15

    I live on the WestSide All my life and nothing but Aloha to the community...but we also have to look at what impact outcome if this company goes shytkreek...majority of the WestSide community rely on crop jobs like this. Also compare how Pioneer controls their chemicals to the hanabata days of sugar cane. Maybe Waimea residents unemployment checks aint cuttin it or a disgruntled unemployed Kelly Service worker!

     
  • ryan67 posted at 7:07 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    ryan67 Posts: 49

    This aint exactly a shocker. Surprised it hasn't happened sooner. Will be an interesting one we all know this is happening just drive through From Waimea to Polihale it's disgusting. Pioneer as well as all the GMO companies have endless pockets, as well as money in every politicians pocket. Hope some real justice happens here.

     
  • paka posted at 6:47 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    paka Posts: 2

    What about all the decades of sugar? Why is this now a problem? Seems as if it is just another attack by transplants that always need to change things to suit how they want to live. Pioneer is a good community member and I know residents that always take what is offered for events and work there. Always easy to say wrong comments that are not backed up by any data and the shyster lawyers will always be able to slant anything there way.

     
  • bjduks posted at 5:58 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    bjduks Posts: 1254

    Wow! any 2 headed babies? So this is whats wrong with the W.side citizenry,poor minds poisoned by pesticides! Get rich quick ideals from the class warefare community organizer from acorn. Teach U how to Extort monies from Corps! ghetto warriors will believe most anythink! They need to wash&paint their homes! Fred Sanford Estates #2 Anahole a #1!

     
  • interesting posted at 5:44 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    interesting Posts: 1931

    just seems to be a dust claim. *yawn*

     
  • AllTalk posted at 5:17 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    AllTalk Posts: 5

    I am a local from westside & i am tired of hearing all this about GMO, pesticide in dust on homes with no tests to prove it is present. And where did this idea of mutated fish come from. Almost every single person on this island has consumed some type off food that could be considered GMO, yet they protest against it. As for home values declining, clean your houses. It is just like a vehicle, if you let it's condition get bad, the value will go down. I don't believe that the values of homes are going down because I have looked to purchase a house in waimea valley and the price was just outrageous. It think it is just an attempt to "get rich quick." People talk about the haole's and how quick they move to sue when something happens, you are no different.

     
  • canowat posted at 5:17 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    canowat Posts: 28

    All pesticides are bad for humans, but what about all the years when sugar cane was growing.? no one grumbled about the spraying of pesticides with planes and helicopters. They also plowed the fields and worse yet they burned the fields. What about the oil that was used on the roads to keep the dust down? No one tried to sue the plantations. Back in the day they used more deadly chemicals that is banned today and no one grumbled. Yes pesticides are bad for humans and so is that ccan of "raid" you use to kill bugs.

     
  • alien posted at 4:49 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    alien Posts: 340

    Go away GMO death farms. We do not want you in our Neighborhoods. Thats all Thats it.

     
  • paystatus posted at 4:42 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    paystatus Posts: 137

    if the value of homes has been reduced, the County Property Tax rolls should be adjusted to reflect said lost value;

     
  • JustinCase posted at 1:55 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    JustinCase Posts: 318

    Good community partner my okole! If they were good community partners, they would have prevented the pesticides from going onto people's houses and prevented people from breathing all of those pesticides. This is what greedy GMO companies do. They poison the ground, air, and water and the community gets impacted. No can! Time for them to clean up, make restitution, and leave!

     
  • yinyangbamboo posted at 12:30 am on Wed, Dec 14, 2011.

    yinyangbamboo Posts: 47

    Good for the trial lawyers. I hope they all make a fortune. About time someone sticks up for the human pesticide test subjects of the westside. Mutated fish in the water there.

     

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