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Man gets probation, fine, class for making son walk home

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Posted: Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:30 am

LIHUE — A Kilauea man was given probation and a fine Wednesday in 5th Circuit Court for punishing his son by making him walk a mile for not answering his questions — a form of discipline a judge called “old school” and no longer appropriate.

Robert Demond was sentenced to a one-year probation, a $200 fine and to a child parenting class for a misdemeanor charge of second-degree endangering the welfare of a minor.

Demond said he would handle it differently now after going through Family Court, where the case originated on Oct. 17, 2013, and to Circuit Court, where he pleaded no contest to the misdemeanor charge.

Demond told the judge that it was a common form of punishment when he was a kid and that he didn’t see it as morally wrong or criminal. He had picked his son up from school and questioned him about a matter that came to his attention. When his son didn’t respond, he stopped the vehicle and made him walk home to think about his actions.

“How far did you make him walk?” asked Judge Kathleen Watanabe.

“About a mile,” Demond said.

These are different times, Watanabe said. It is understandable that you became upset with your son, but it is dangerous for children to walk along the highway, and there are predators out there, she said. The age of the child was not revealed in the course of the hearing and the Office of the Prosecuting Attorney would not divulge further information.

Defense attorney Margaret Hanson said that Demond has no criminal history and presents no risk to the community. The offense was basically a form of punishment that is no longer considered acceptable by the community.

County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Gary Nelson said the discipline was not an appropriate way for Demond to correct his son’s behavior. Yet, it was clear that the defendant acted with the intent to teach his child a lesson and did not act out of anger.

The state recommended a child parenting course and supports the defendant’s motion for a deferred acceptance of his no contest plea. It allows him to motion the court to expunge the charge from his record after completing his probation.

Watanabe granted the motion.

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  • blisterpeanuts posted at 3:43 am on Thu, Jun 5, 2014.

    blisterpeanuts Posts: 1

    Um... joke? How could this matter possibly have gone to court? Don't they have anything more important to do?

    As for this kid, Judge Kathleen Watanabe has taught him a valuable lesson: if you don't like being punished by your parents, hire a lawyer and sue! Great "parenting" job there, Kathleen. You've really done society a service.

    50 years ago, this judge might have been impeached for gross incompetence and abuse of office. Today, it's just business as usual in our not-my-fault entitlement paradise.

  • RickBOS posted at 12:17 am on Tue, Jun 3, 2014.

    RickBOS Posts: 1

    The judge and prosecutor need to be fired for intervening in a domestic matter. The father was COMPLETELY correct in disciplining his son this way. The Limp Wristed Left, once again, is sticking their long noses where they have no business.

  • Aussie shane posted at 3:05 pm on Mon, Jun 2, 2014.

    Aussie shane Posts: 1

    According to other reports, the father returned to check on the child, only to realise the child was missing. it was a short time later he learned that he learned a neighbor picked up the boy and called police.
    So the moron known as a judge punishes the father yet lets neighbor off for Child abduction?
    My grandchildren (6 & 9) walk 2 miles home from school and I've been encouraging my daughter to enforce it. we walked, as children or sometimes rode our horses.
    Kudos to the father for trying to instill a sense of responsibility in his boy. and someone PLEASE remove the moronic judge from the bench.

  • CoraLady posted at 8:54 am on Mon, Jun 2, 2014.

    CoraLady Posts: 2

    When did it become illegal to have your child walk to/from school?

  • CoraLady posted at 8:52 am on Mon, Jun 2, 2014.

    CoraLady Posts: 2

    I did this to my 15 year old son who was misbehaving at the store. He kept it up in the car on the way home, so I stopped the car and made him walk home. His grandfather drove by a few minutes later, saw him walking, picked him up and took him to get ice cream along with a talk. It's been a family joke all these years as my son is now in his 30's. He learned his lesson that day and was never in trouble with the law, got a college degree, an all around good guy. Healthy discipline works. Tell the government to fix their own problems before they mess with mine!! Haven't they heard?...."Take the log out of your own eye before you take the speck out of mine! "

  • bobloblaw posted at 8:53 pm on Sun, Jun 1, 2014.

    bobloblaw Posts: 2

    My first reaction was like many here ..... the judge acted improperly in interfering with the rights of a parent disciplining his kid. But after I read the information from Joan Conrow's blog linked above by someone else, I changed my mind:

    "And finally, the The Garden Island's comment section lit up on the story about the Kilauea man who got probation, a fine and an order to attend parenting classes for making his son walk a mile as "old school" discipline. Oh, the outcry against Judge Kathleen Watanabe, the Office of Prosecuting Attorney and the nanny state.

    Too bad the reporter didn't provide the full story: A lady found the 8-year-old boy screaming and hysterical in the bushes, with no idea where he was or how to get home, so she called police.

    Discipline is fine. Seriously traumatizing your kid is, fortunately, against the law."

  • Eagle 6 posted at 5:26 pm on Sun, Jun 1, 2014.

    Eagle 6 Posts: 1423

    RandyH is right.
    Sorry Gov. But this is coming your way.
    Give Mr. Demond a FULL pardon, and I will consider how your vote goes. This is real world transgression , a CEO of a state in the Free world would remove quickly this malignancy. A whole bunch of'eyes' are on this. Same with the prosecutor, nothing less than acceptance of resignation.
    If that isn't enough, please mr. President, nothing less than a Full pardon for mr. Demond.
    I guess we shall see how free we are

  • Sandi posted at 2:49 pm on Sun, Jun 1, 2014.

    Sandi Posts: 19

    In my opinion this court system is in the dark ages here coming between the dad and his child. Sure having your child walking on a main road is not a good parental call but I see no problem in having a child do some form of manual labor as punishment, such as mowing the lawn or cleaning his room. I believe a light warning on the safety aspects would have sufficed.

  • Jerzy posted at 7:06 am on Sun, Jun 1, 2014.

    Jerzy Posts: 1

    I am shocked to learn from the judge's ruling that Hawai'i has such a pedophile problem that children cannot walk a milk home from school without the fear of being molested. I will NOT be bringing my children to Hawai'i on vacation out of fear of their safety!

  • Eagle 6 posted at 6:26 pm on Sat, May 31, 2014.

    Eagle 6 Posts: 1423

    Thanks TGI,
    One irony is I wanted you to go"Mike Wallace" on em". Then "I" was scared.
    You all broke the story and I think Mike would approve.
    Well done
    Every commenter gives me hope

  • DebraKekaualua posted at 3:47 pm on Sat, May 31, 2014.

    DebraKekaualua Posts: 471

    Fake state judges, illegal annexation resulting in over 120 years of fraud, corruption or treasonous activity complete with,overmilitarization, but walking to school per fathersʻ direction is child abusive? Ummmmm Heller? iʻve got that Kokee bridge for sale, however, only billionaires or assinine judges need apply. Very soon, the insanities of martial law with new world order KPD-DLNR-masked SWAT types will see much more of the same kinds of rulings, WE THE PEOPLE made into criminals. wHOOPwhoop.

  • WestKauai posted at 10:44 am on Sat, May 31, 2014.

    WestKauai Posts: 272

    The Star-Advertiser had the full story: The father had returned to check on the boy's progress minutes later, and couldn't find him. He was frantic until he found that a neighbor had picked up the boy and taken him back to school. If anything, the neighbor should have been charged with kidnapping...

  • LordDecapo posted at 4:14 am on Sat, May 31, 2014.

    LordDecapo Posts: 1

    This story makes me angry about everything this country is becoming,
    I say everyone that is equally as pissed at the outcome of this case should go here
    and file a complaint against Judge Wantanabe, and demand her be fired,
    She obviously is not qualified for her position at all.

  • evelyn posted at 3:45 am on Sat, May 31, 2014.

    evelyn Posts: 1

    When did this parent receive the new rules for parenting? Walking a mile gave this child time to think and to exercise. I did not know there was a law against a child walking home from school or the mall or grandmas house. So when that same child shows up in juvenile court because he knows that there are no consequences for actions coming from his father, what then? He'll be behind bars with all the pedophiles and he can't get away.. And one more thing, how many pedophiles did the child potentially meet along that mile stretch? It is un-justice because no crime was committed.

  • RandyH posted at 4:40 pm on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    RandyH Posts: 1

    I don't give a rat's behind about the political views of anyone involved. We need more parents using "old-school" discipline, not our legal system interfering with proper parenting. This is clearly a case where the prosecutor committed misconduct in public office by bringing the charge, and must be removed from office, disbarred and prosecuted. Further, by allowing the case to proceed, and by making disparaging remarks about Mr. Demond's parenting methods, Ms. Watanabe committed judicial misconduct, and must likewise be removed from the bench and prosecuted. Beyond that, I would urge the Governor of Hawaii to issue Mr. Demond a full pardon immediately.

  • kentuckywoman2 posted at 4:32 pm on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    kentuckywoman2 Posts: 1

    I think the Judge is way off base, here. If I were the boy's father, I would appeal.

    I read many of the comments here and it saddens me how "some" people insist on labeling others and assuming they know them just because of "some" of their beliefs or their political or religious affiliation/s.

    I'm a liberal socialist democrat and a registered, voting Democrat. I'm a Christian. I'm a gun owner. I agree with the father in this case. 'Nuff said.

  • CaptainAhab posted at 4:06 pm on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    CaptainAhab Posts: 2


    Joan Conrow in 3 sentences at the bottom of her blog-post gets more facts about what actually happened then Tom LaVenture does in an entire article. Seriously people. The police arrested him. The prosecutor filed charges. And the guy pled. Do we all really think all 3 of those things would've happened if the kid walked home from school?

  • CaptainAhab posted at 4:03 pm on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    CaptainAhab Posts: 2


    Joan Conrow in 3 sentences at the bottom of her blog-post gets more facts about what actually happened then Tom LaVenture does in an entire article. Seriously people. The police arrested him. The prosecutor filed charges. And the guy pled. Do we all really think all 3 of those things would've happened if the kid walked home from school? REALLY?

  • good eh posted at 3:31 pm on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    good eh Posts: 57

    This is effin crazy!! Goverment gotta stay the F out of our lives. By doing this the government just empowered the kids, and just undermined the parents...let me say this again THE PARENTS not the government...THE PARENTS ability to properly dicipline and raise their children. Any little thing the child can yell abuse!!! Thats why you have all these kids with no respect for there elders. I caught cracks from my parents for doing bad things when I was young. I didn't like it, but I knew not to do it ever again. And I would dicipline my kids the way I want to dicipline them. What ever happend to our freedom? Slowly by slowly the government is taking it away!!

  • RealityCheck10 posted at 2:10 pm on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    RealityCheck10 Posts: 1

    I like the condemnation of the left and this being communist, especially since this insane verdict (judged merely on the article, who knows what part of the story is missing) was handed down by a republican judge.

  • notahippi posted at 12:01 pm on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    notahippi Posts: 531

    Judge Watanabe needs to step down! She has way overstepped her bounds....

    I'll tell you what is a crime ....It is having the state step in and start telling parents how to raise their kids and fining them!.... plus sending dad to "parenting school!"....He should teach the class....and what kind neighbor calls the cops on their neighbor because their kid is crying.... I can so tell what race they are...local people would have called the the boys father ...

    By the way Watanabe, now has to go fine all the Kauai school buses because they don't pick up kids unless they live over a mile from school....they figure the kids should walk....

    You act like dad was abusing the kid!....,There is a lot of parents that would of taken their kid home and beat the hay out of him....

    Justin Kollar, mayor, and council members you should be so ashamed at what this judge did to this family and how the people of Kauai now can no longer trust the state of HI not to interfere in their and their children's private lives.....

    It is time to vote all out and start over fresh.....so we can get Big sister/brother out of our personal life.

  • Midwestgranny posted at 11:35 am on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    Midwestgranny Posts: 1

    The prosecutor and judge got this one wrong. Kudos to the father for disciplining his son!! The fact that this even went to court at all is nuts! Walking one mile home from school at age 8 is acceptable in my book. A child that age, properly taught, is very capable of avoiding traffic dangers. Also, this debacle should not be stereotyped as "Democrat" (or "Republican") or "female". Stupid decisions are made by people of both genders & all political affiliations.

  • deLivron posted at 9:26 am on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    deLivron Posts: 1

    I live in New York State . Schools aren't required to provide bussing to students who live closer then 2 miles to 8th grade and that increases to 3 miles in high school. It should be time to punish the judge!

  • bellachefa posted at 8:54 am on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    bellachefa Posts: 72

    This judge needs to be investigated. The father's probation dropped. And the child should have a long list of chores.

  • CoffeeRequired posted at 7:57 am on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    CoffeeRequired Posts: 57

    This kid was 8. Which confirms this whole case is Ridiculous. If you agree with the judge I assume 1. either you don't have an 8 year old or 2. you are an extremely over protective parent. I saw a comment about the kid not knowing better and could have run into the road to chase a bug... UMMM... if your 8 year old lacks the common sense to stay off the road I'm going to assume they are still spoon fed and carry a blankie. My child has been walking to the school bus stop / school since they were 6 years old. They cross the same major high way this kid was walking along and I don't see anyone raising a fuss. The only thing I would suggest to this father is move and find new neighbors because whoever had the nerve to pick up his son and make a big issue out of this obviously doesn't know how to mind their own business.

  • JOE posted at 7:20 am on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    JOE Posts: 1

    The World's Gone Mad
    I'm not sure where this happened -But my Opinion is this

    I was Born & Raised In New York City - in the Bronx
    I walked about a mile & a 1/2 Crossed Five Major Streets - Heavy Traffic
    Cars & Trucks- About 4 Ft to 6 Feet apart Speeds about 15/20 MPH
    The other Streets about 7 were Trafficked but not as heavy

    Did this for Four Years from the age of 12 yrs
    There were No Buses or Trains
    My mom figures the Exercise & Fresh air would do me good
    Her Words When Leaving every morning were
    " Be careful Crossing & Look both Ways
    My mother Figured - I had the Brains God gave me
    it was my up to me to use them

    I think we've Become a Nation of Cowards Fools & Sheep -
    we won't let Boys Climb Trees - Skate - God Forbid they
    Fall down & Cut themselves

    As A Marine Class of 1952 - I see these Kids now being Pampered
    & Coddled Not allowed to dirty their hand
    They go into the Military & Crumble because of Judges like this one
    And the Commie Left & Liberals wanting to Make Boys into Girls

    Hell We're being Surrounded By water Lillie's - We need those Kids
    to Grow up so they Learn about The Real World & Survival

    They Ain't getting it here from the Bench or Our Sissy Leaders

  • speznazhunter posted at 4:30 am on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    speznazhunter Posts: 1

    Born in Sweden. Walked a mile to school and one mile back. In the snow.
    The islands would be a better place if everyone walked a mile every day.

  • buildtheroad posted at 4:25 am on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    buildtheroad Posts: 1

    If this is worthy of punishment, then the school district my children attended were blatantly in violation. My kids had to walk three miles to school. Kids within a three mile radius were not eligible to ride the bus.

  • Scott posted at 3:42 am on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    Scott Posts: 1

    The judge and the prosecuting attorney are idiots. I'm sure the courts have more important things to do than prosecute a father who actually wants to father his child. IF I were him I telled them to take there parenting class and shove it up their asses. I'd rather do jail time than have a a judge who is clueless tell me how I will parent my child.

  • Nelson posted at 2:28 am on Fri, May 30, 2014.

    Nelson Posts: 1

    Judge Watanabe did not display judicial wisdom. There was no abuse. Teaching a child a lesson should not be based on what the government will or will do.

  • Concerned American posted at 11:37 pm on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    Concerned American Posts: 1

    Unbelievable. This is what happens when folks vote for a Democratic Communist. Only Communists tell people how to live. This is an illegal judge dictating an illegal law. This communist judge should be jailed people. And you have the right to put her in jail. Listen. It is not against the law to walk. If I were Mr Demond I would fight this until my last breath. Refuse to conform to communism people. Everyday it is getting worse. Raise you kids the way you were raised and stop voting for these communist idiots. Because if you don't you will have not seen anything ... Yet.

  • notahippi posted at 9:39 pm on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    notahippi Posts: 531

    I'm still fuming!
    If kids were more "old schooled" maybe they would be better for it!

    Time to start voting republican.....and stop this democratic takeover and control "new government"

  • Kalei posted at 8:19 pm on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    Kalei Posts: 30

    We still have kids walking a mile or more to and from school every day! Is this setting a precedence that would put all parents allowing this in jeopardy of being arrested? Spanking is an even older form of discipline then having a kid walk home a measly mile yet state law still allows it. Just what community is Watanabe speaking of? Definitely not most of Kauai.

  • Eagle 6 posted at 8:12 pm on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    Eagle 6 Posts: 1423

    I would like to see the precedence of legal walking in Kauai. Was this a public defender? We don't need the child's name, but we do need the age.
    I started Kindegarten at four. Walked to school almost everyday, as did all the kids.
    A paranoid punishment of the punisher?
    I want to see the walking "law" and why you would make your own laws. And your Honor, you need to write it in clear English so we all can understand.
    This is probably the first time I've seen everyone agree. And it is scary talking bad about island judges,
    I actually hope the media doesn't get ahold of this. And that's bad.

  • Robb1371 posted at 7:51 pm on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    Robb1371 Posts: 100

    Glad the judge has time for this, there must be no more meth cases to be heard.

  • notahippi posted at 7:37 pm on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    notahippi Posts: 531

    WHAT! ?....This is outrageous! ....Who do you think you are telling a parent how to raise their kid!....I can't tell you how upset this makes me!....
    kids walk home from school all the time..... in fact I believe if a kid lives 1 mile or less from school he is not entitled to ride the bus!

    Why is the state even involved in the first place?.... Kids sit around getting fat playing their electronics ....but this father gets two birds with one stone....exercise and discipline.....
    Hey judge Watanabe This is Kilauea .....not down town LA!....Michele Obama is gonna be mad at you.......This father has to go to state parenting classes! ....You act like he beat his kid!.....Do we really want to make wussies out of our kids?.....

    So what next? stop football, soccer, etc

    Justin Kollar if you don't step in on this injustice.....I will do everything I can to see that you don't get elected again......and I will do it by reminding the people of Kauai what you allowed to happen to this family!

  • peaceful posted at 6:36 pm on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    peaceful Posts: 250

    Endangering the welfare of a minor? By making him walk a mile? A mile is nothing! This is just unbelievable. Poor Robert - I just wish he had a better attorney!
    Unfortunately, this now sends the message to the child that he can do whatever he wants from now on.
    Everyone is right - the government interference here is really scary. If there was no abuse, this is between child and parent only.

  • Eagle 6 posted at 6:25 pm on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    Eagle 6 Posts: 1423

    This will go national. And for good reason.

  • truthislaw posted at 6:23 pm on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    truthislaw Posts: 1022

    Child repremands and dog leash laws.
    Seems like Kauai has some serious crime going on. What an easy job Kollar has.

    Watanabe, what is your legal precedent for this ridiculousness. You have worn out that bench for far too long. You make nothing but bad rulings and they always have to be corrected by a higher court.

    Should have taken away his ipad too.

    Good for the dad to do this.

  • hieronymus posted at 5:47 pm on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    hieronymus Posts: 123

    Good Job Mr. Demond. You are being a parent. Giving you son discipline and direction. The prosecutor and judge in this case are way off base.

  • GILGAMESH posted at 5:12 pm on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    GILGAMESH Posts: 119

    Watawanabe a judge you are not fit to hold office. Not only that how could Justin Kollar even allow it to get this far, he seems bright but mayhap lacks common sense. This is a type of GESTAPO STATE when morons can ruin peoples lives on a whim. Sad things is, it is happening thousands of times daily in this country, that I love and appreciate but have grown to abhor. Has it always been this way? Gil

  • Uroradman posted at 4:49 pm on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    Uroradman Posts: 2

    The child was 8. The father was being a parent. This is what happens when the Nanny State is involved. When the kid is 18 and robbing someone, I'm sure the judge will say, "Where were the parents?" Mom, Dad and the kids = Old School. The "New School" with government interference is a disaster.

  • manongindashadow posted at 4:26 pm on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    manongindashadow Posts: 337

    kauaiisfun, it probably ended up in court because someone decided to turn the man in.
    the person who reported it probably never received any punishment as achild growing up and had no discipline. for he/she it would have been to cruel to stand in the corner with his/her nose against the wall for a time out.

  • stablecamp posted at 9:53 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    stablecamp Posts: 13

    A miscarriage of justice -- convicted of the crime of making his son walk a mile.

  • thisguy posted at 9:01 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    thisguy Posts: 3

    Wow. A whole mile. I can't believe the courts on Kauai don't have anything better to do. This is a pretty mild form of punishment.

  • myparfun posted at 8:31 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    myparfun Posts: 13

    since when is making your child walk home from school illegal

    since when does the state get to pick and choose what punishment is too harsh

    when is this prosecutor and judge eligible for reelection - time for a boot

  • LMat posted at 8:12 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    LMat Posts: 117

    "...not an appropriate way to correct his son's behavior"? It was only a mile!! And the age of the child is very relevant.
    Kids walk hime from school all the time. Why is this a crime?

  • Speeding Snail posted at 8:12 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    Speeding Snail Posts: 407

    Times have indeed changed...I used to walk 1.5 miles to and from school in sub zero temperatures when I was a kid, and that was on a good day when I was behaving myself.

  • kauaiboy posted at 8:01 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    kauaiboy Posts: 333

    If the boy was 7 years or less, the father's actions were in appropriate and ill-advised, although there should be another way to handle educating the father without criminal charges. If the boy was 8 years old or older, the government should not be involved. One mile? As long as the boy was dressed and had shoes on, the issue is between father and son.

  • CoffeeRequired posted at 7:55 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    CoffeeRequired Posts: 57

    Maybe I missed it but how old was this kid? If he was any older than 7-8, having to walk a mile, would be nothing. Sheesh we have kids being beaten and starved to death and THIS is a big deal? I could understand if this was a young kid... but not an older one.... Maybe we need to cancel soccer games in the middle of the day and PE seeing as running around in the hot sun now seems to be a form of torture.

  • Rightdirection posted at 6:57 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    Rightdirection Posts: 271

    What a ridiculous "society" we live in! Stupid judge, stupid attempt at taking away the rights of our citizens to discipline their children. No wonder our country is becoming a weak, selfish, dumbed down class of clowns who want to pass a law about every aspect of a person's or a family's right to privacy and self determination. How sad!.

  • sgoold posted at 6:56 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    sgoold Posts: 477

    While I support women professionals in society, this is ridiculous. Studies show women are more "risk-averse" than men, in general. They are protectors of home and family. This is positive. Yet we have gone too far! Bubble parents and leaders turn our kids into marsh mellows.

    “How far did you make him walk?” asked Judge Kathleen Watanabe. “About a mile,” Demond said. Watanabe, "... but it is dangerous for children to walk along the highway, and there are predators out there."

    No, there are NOT predators "out there." There are sharks in the water, but we still let our keiki surf. Life is risk. I don't know the exact location of this incident but can't believe walking "along the highway" was unreasonably risky.

    Today, CEOs don't take risks; politicians don't take risks. We focus on fixing blame rather than fixing the problem.

    Danger used to be "our middle name." Walking used to be common; now we're too afraid and our kids are fat.

  • TheVinny posted at 6:41 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    TheVinny Posts: 19

    This case is pathetic. From the prosecution of this case to the judge's sentence. He didn't even spank the kid. wow.

  • Jassbrown posted at 5:40 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    Jassbrown Posts: 161

    I can't believe they punished him while there's so many other worst crimes out there. Discipline is what kids need.

  • AnonyMouse posted at 4:00 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    AnonyMouse Posts: 985

    At what age is a mile long walk as described acceptable?

  • kauaiisfun posted at 2:44 am on Thu, May 29, 2014.

    kauaiisfun Posts: 107

    How old was the child...am I missing something? Why was this even in the court process....


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