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Posted: Saturday, October 1, 2011 11:30 pm

LIHU‘E — A two-car crash Saturday afternoon on Kuhio Highway fronting the Wailua Golf Course injured several and killed 56-year-old Anahola resident Laurey Fernandez, county officials confirmed.

The wreck happened around 2:47 p.m. near Mile Marker 4 when a Ford Explorer heading north crossed the centerline and crashed into a Dodge pick-up truck, a county a news release states.

Fernandez was a passenger in the Explorer along with four others plus the driver, the release states. The passengers of the Explorer and driver of the pick-up were taken to Wilcox Memorial Hospital for treatment of non-life-threatening injuries. The passenger in the Dodge was unharmed.

The death marks the second traffic fatality in the same area in less than a month and the sixth on Kaua‘i roads this year.

On Sept. 11, Nahele Kapua, 16, of Hanama‘ulu died of injuries sustained as a passenger in a one-car crash on Kuhio Highway near Kaua‘i Community Correctional Center. Kapua was Kaua‘i’s fifth traffic fatality of 2011.

The highway was closed for a few hours in both directions after the crash Saturday.

The bypass roads were opened at around 3:20 p.m., the release states, and traffic moved slowly along these roads. The highway was reopened at approximately 5:40 p.m.

The speed limit on this stretch of highway was dropped from 50 mph to 40 mph on Oct. 12, 2009, in an effort to improve public safety. The three-mile “Blood Alley” runs roughly from Kaua‘i Beach Resort to Wailua Beach. There were 10 fatal crashes along this corridor from 2000 until the speed limit was changed.

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76 comments:

  • JamesMay posted at 1:06 am on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    JamesMay Posts: 5

    TYPO: ...I'd rather move to the **RIGHT** lane so the driver doesn't have to swerve around me...

     
  • JamesMay posted at 12:49 am on Tue, Oct 11, 2011.

    JamesMay Posts: 5

    [quote]MaxineLister said: "No...the fact is that my husband has been a cop for 22 years and I would rather listen to him then you..."[/quote]

    So you're pretty much saying you'd rather have a speeding driver swerve around you instead of letting the driver go in a straight path? Doesn't sound safer to me. If I seen a car coming behind me fast, I'd rather move to the left lane so the driver doesn't have to swerve around me. Less chance that the driver will lose control and cross into oncoming traffic.

     
  • MaxineLister posted at 12:42 am on Sun, Oct 9, 2011.

    MaxineLister Posts: 66

    [quote]Kahekili said: "It's inconsiderate people like you that congest our highways and create traffic. The worst part is that you already know this and don't care. "[/quote]

    No...the fact is that my husband has been a cop for 22 years and I would rather listen to him then you...

     
  • Kahekili posted at 12:15 am on Sun, Oct 9, 2011.

    Kahekili Posts: 114

    [quote]MaxineLister said: "Why should anyone following the speed limit move to the right lane? The speed limit is set for a reason. Driving the speed limit isn't trying to enforce it, it's the right thing to do. If someone on the right lane is driving at 40 and I'm on the left lane at 40, why should I assist someone in their need for speed by pulling to the right lane? I pull to the right to let them by, they cause an accident because of their stupidity, possibly taking the life of my loved one or acquaintance? I don't think I would be able to forgive myself for that. "[/quote]

    It's inconsiderate people like you that congest our highways and create traffic. The worst part is that you already know this and don't care.

     
  • lnp_69 posted at 2:13 am on Fri, Oct 7, 2011.

    lnp_69 Posts: 19

    Our hearts & prayers go out to the families that have lost loved ones to blood lane.
    Anyone who thinks the speed limit has anything to do with it is totally missing it. People will speed no matter what the limit is. No need to clear trees either. A high divider would help solve the center line issue. KPD has been tagging speeders, more so, in that area as well. I know accidents are inevitable but I pray that we ALL be more akamai.

     
  • DayDreamer posted at 4:21 pm on Thu, Oct 6, 2011.

    DayDreamer Posts: 166

    People MAY die in accidents. We MAY die in oceans, on roads, on a tour helicopter, falling off a cliff, etc. That's why they are called accidents and not "on purpose." Sometimes there is a reason, sometimes there is no "good" reason.

    Nothing will END the accident problem, education will not, lower speeds will not. People die and will continue to because that is the what life is about. My 3 year old told me once, "Everything that lives will eventually die" and my reply was "Yes, even you and me."

    If you make the road wider, it may not be safer. If you put up a divider and I have seen this - people can jump them, slam into them and flip around and people still die. People in cars may die - somewhere and sometime given the right set of circumstances.

    We can't rubber bumper the entire island and we shouldn't. Life is a risk every day and that is part of living. Take care out there.

    I like John Brown's idea - it's cheap and easy. My prayers to the Fernandez family and friends.

     
  • JamesMay posted at 12:08 pm on Thu, Oct 6, 2011.

    JamesMay Posts: 5

    http://www.kauai.gov/Portals/0/planning/Appendix%20A-1.PDF

     
  • John_Brown posted at 8:18 am on Thu, Oct 6, 2011.

    John_Brown Posts: 752

    Yeah, I felt like getting a penicillin shot after going to that 'link'.

     
  • Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts posted at 12:28 pm on Wed, Oct 5, 2011.

    Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts Posts: 941

    I'd like to see the link to the web page that the image was procured from. The link to a snapshot is not creditable without it.


    [quote]JamesMay said: "I guess the DOT hasn't forgotten this stretch of road. They are currently designing a 6, YES SIX, lane DIVIDED highway widening project between Hanamaulu to the Kapaa bypass.http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1038/captureje.jpg"[/quote]

     
  • John_Brown posted at 8:40 am on Wed, Oct 5, 2011.

    John_Brown Posts: 752

    OK, on the 'list' the widening to 6 lanes is 4th. Looking at the others, I'm sure hoping this isn't 4th on the list of priorities.

    Also, SIX LANES? WHY??!! Talk about using a sledgehammer on a thumbtack...

    Yes, we need FOUR lanes AND a CEMENT barrier. But, 6 lanes and a barrier??! What rocket scientist came up with that idea? Is there some planned population spike we are all unaware of?

    4 and a cement barrier is PLENTY.

     
  • JamesMay posted at 1:15 am on Wed, Oct 5, 2011.

    JamesMay Posts: 5

    I guess the DOT hasn't forgotten this stretch of road. They are currently designing a 6, YES SIX, lane DIVIDED highway widening project between Hanamaulu to the Kapaa bypass.

    http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1038/captureje.jpg

     
  • CouldBe808 posted at 4:26 pm on Tue, Oct 4, 2011.

    CouldBe808 Posts: 126

    Oh I would like to combine a few ideas on here! 1st , Make that Cane Road a useful road... 2nd , take the middle lane and put a barrier right down the center, making the road a 2 lane road. 3rd , if anything... make the Cane road One way in the morning, one way in the afternoon? Or also, cover up that gross ditch and widen. You guys have awesome ideas!!! Let's hope some big wig out there is reading this!

     
  • John_Brown posted at 9:42 am on Tue, Oct 4, 2011.

    John_Brown Posts: 752

    Amen, Kahekili!

    Your observations are right on. MANY times you will see big black skid marks going into those barriers and when you see that on the mainland, you think 'someone gave some autobody shop some business'. When you have barriers you tend to only damage your car or MAYBE the car beside you but RARELY does this mean fatality. People can kill themselves all kinds of ways but cement barriers SAVE lives. It's also more comfort for the driver knowing that someone fiddling with their crotch or their cell phone will not potentially kill you...

     
  • Kahekili posted at 9:36 pm on Mon, Oct 3, 2011.

    Kahekili Posts: 114

    The next time you fly to the mainland and travel on a freeway, I'd like you to pay close attention to the concrete barriers separating the oncoming traffic. Take notice of all the black tire marks that line the length of those barriers. Every time I saw one, I realized that a vehicle was on a collision path with an oncoming car and was prevented by the barrier.

    Kauai has some of the worst drivers on this planet... People driving 35 mph in 50 mph speed limit. Speeding up to prevent others from passing safely. Stopping at a green light to allow those with the red light to enter traffic. Weaving from lane to lane when there's obviously no way to move forward. Excessive speeding. Coming to a complete stop in a merge lane. The list goes on and on...

    Until they widen the road and put up those concrete dividers, we all have to be courteous, defensive drivers and watch out for the clowns.

    Widen the road and put up those concrete dividers

     
  • johans posted at 6:58 pm on Mon, Oct 3, 2011.

    johans Posts: 17

    CONEHEADS --LIVE ON AIR MON-FRI 6-11AM KUHIO HIGHWAY

     
  • John_Brown posted at 10:25 am on Mon, Oct 3, 2011.

    John_Brown Posts: 752

    'permananet' - LOL?! Where's the 'edit' button?? See? You need barriers because of drivers like me.

     
  • John_Brown posted at 10:23 am on Mon, Oct 3, 2011.

    John_Brown Posts: 752

    Good fences make good neighbors and good barriers will save lives. Yes, you have to widen the road or forget contra flow but coming from TEXAS, the ONLY way you will save lives is putting a big fat barrier between you and oncoming traffic.

    HEAD ON EVEN AT 30 MPH WILL KILL YOU. Especially if it's a truck and you are in a car. FACE IT... People will CONTINUE to die as long as there is not permananet barrier. Speed has NOTHING to do with it. If you post a 20 MPH limit, some dimwit will surely be driving 30 MPH and HEAD ON EVEN AT THAT SPEED WILL KILL YOU... (just repeating the obvious for those that have lost attention from the beginning of the paragraph).

     
  • franny posted at 10:09 am on Mon, Oct 3, 2011.

    franny Posts: 1

    JUST FOR THE RECORD
    SO...NO ONE GETS ME CONFUSED WITH Francine 1.
    I am Francine Rapozo (or) Franny Rapozo former Francine R. Fernandez.
    I knew Laurey Fernandez personally. She was a good person, an awesome step-mother to my son for 18 plus years.
    Please remember when you post ... Laurey lost her life in this tragic accident. Laurey was an inocent passenger.
    Thread lightly on your comments, she was someone's wife, mother, and grandmother..
    My deepest condolences to my ex-husband Kamaka Fernandez, and his son, my son's brother Joshua Fernandez, and Laurey's daughter Joy,her husband Nath, and their children, on the loss of their beloved wife, mother, grandmother.
    May you rest in peace, Laurey. Thank you for the many years of being a second mom to my son. We will remember you for your kindness towards us.
    Rest in Peace my sister & we will meet again.No good deeds go undone.

     
  • alohaaloha posted at 9:24 am on Mon, Oct 3, 2011.

    alohaaloha Posts: 43

    They should cover up the ditch! The whole ditch!! Unlike the ditch on the Kapaa Bypass. Where the delivery truck driver rolled over the guardrail and landed in the ditch (thank God that he wasn't killed by drowning). The County or State, or whoever, just covered the ditch where the truck fell in, leaving the rest of the ditch exposed. Common sense PEOPLE!!

     
  • tunataxi posted at 7:39 am on Mon, Oct 3, 2011.

    tunataxi Posts: 749

    Sad accident!!

     
  • wassupkauai posted at 8:49 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    wassupkauai Posts: 4

    KAUAIFIXYOURROADS "The old cane road, make that a darn southbound!! They can work on it all day / night and it wont mess up the traffic, when its almost done, they can connect it to the current setup"

    MAKES SENSE TO ME.....SOUTH BOUND ONLY,,...THEN PEOPLE CAN AT LEAST HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE WAY TO GO....

    DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A GROUP FORMING TO HELP EXPEDITE THIS?...THE SQUEEKY WHEEL WILL GET GREASED...LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN SO WE DONT HAVE TO SEE THIS TRAGEDY EVER AGAIN...THAT SHOULD BE THE LAST STRAW FOR KAUAI!...IT WAS NOT A PRETTY SIGHT!!

    P.S. THE ROAD DEFINITELY GOES AGAINST ALL FEDERAL STANDARDS...(four inches between you and someone coming at you 50mph on a curved road is not cool...)

     
  • ethics guy posted at 8:20 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    ethics guy Posts: 137

    The big problem is that the County of Kauai gets not a dime to enforce traffic speeds here. Every ticket with a fine and court cost goes to the state fund, not a dime to our police force. If the county was able to ever get any amount of money from traffic tickets we issue here we would have a wonderful revenue source and the safest roads in Hawaii. Slap a $250 dollar fine on speeding over 5 mph on this section of road and all the revenue coming back to the KPD and the problem would be solved.

     
  • KeepItKauaiIt posted at 8:08 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    KeepItKauaiIt Posts: 23

    STOP TALKING ABOUT SPEED LIMITS!!!! SPEEDING WASNT THE CAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT.... DRIVERS ARE THE CAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT...

     
  • mdmann posted at 6:54 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    mdmann Posts: 985

    [quote]Why should anyone following the speed limit move to the right lane?[/quote]


    Because that is the law, Maxine. Just because you are doing the speed limit, that doesn't mean you can ride in whatever lane you wish. The law is that whenever someone is overtaking you, you are supposed to pull over to the right to let them pass. Not "If they are overtaking you and you are travelling less than the speed limit" nor "If you feel like it." If the other person is speeding, it is the job of law enforcement to correct them, not you. You are concerned about that person causing an accident further down the road--how does it help to potentially make them irate? Just follow the law yourself and let law enforcement handle those that don't--it isn't your responsibility, nor your right, to limit traffic speeds. You're creating yet another hazard.

    You're basically arguing that you should be able to break the law to stop others from breaking the law. Just move over, as the law tells you to do.

     
  • MaxineLister posted at 5:14 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    MaxineLister Posts: 66

    [quote]JamesMay said: "I want EVERY driver to read this. If you are driving speed limit and not passing anyone, please MOVE TO THE RIGHT LANE. .."[/quote]

    Why should anyone following the speed limit move to the right lane? The speed limit is set for a reason. Driving the speed limit isn't trying to enforce it, it's the right thing to do. If someone on the right lane is driving at 40 and I'm on the left lane at 40, why should I assist someone in their need for speed by pulling to the right lane? I pull to the right to let them by, they cause an accident because of their stupidity, possibly taking the life of my loved one or acquaintance? I don't think I would be able to forgive myself for that.

     
  • MaxineLister posted at 5:03 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    MaxineLister Posts: 66

    [quote]bjduks said: ...cell phones texting Etc. ...[/quote]

    I've seen cops looking for people on cell phones. The problem is that the cop car is bigger than the cell phone. The driver sees the cop and puts the phone down before the cop can see them on the phone...

     
  • MaxineLister posted at 5:00 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    MaxineLister Posts: 66

    I was the passenger of one of the vehicles north bound that day. I counted 14 drivers talking on the cellphone while driving. Some even had cellphones in one hand with a cigarette in the other. It's not the road that's the problem, its the people who are driving on it.

     
  • JamesMay posted at 3:01 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    JamesMay Posts: 5

    I want EVERY driver to read this. If you are driving speed limit and not passing anyone, please MOVE TO THE RIGHT LANE. That way drivers that want to get ahead/speed, will be able to do so on the LEFT LANE (fast lane) without having to zig zag thru traffic. Civilians need to stop acting like they are police officers by driving 40 in the left lane to enforce the speed limit. Enforcement of the speed limit is the job of a police officer, NOT YOU.

    STATE OF HAWAII: Don't waste any more money on repaving any part of the road between Puhi and Tree Tunnel. All that fresh asphalt will be dug up anyways when they widen the road within the next 9 years due to the Kaumuali‘i Highway widening project. Instead, spend the money to install concrete center dividers. That will effectively stop anything trying to cross into oncoming traffic.

    (5 phases to be completed by 2020. Phase I, Mill bridge & Phase II, Mill to KCC are currently being worked on. Phase III, KCC to Humane society will start in 2012

     
  • mdmann posted at 2:24 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    mdmann Posts: 985

    [quote]people on kauai are notorious for driving over the yellow line.[/quote]


    Yep.


    [quote]i witness drivers over the yellow line every road everyday.[/quote]


    As have many others. The only way someone could possibly miss it is if they are just as clueless as these lane drifters, or they just refuse to see it!


    [quote]it's these drivers irresponsible driving habits that finally catch up with them[/quote]


    Preach it!

    The only way to stop this problem is to come down HARD on these people who have such a hard time keeping their vehicle between two lines. You start making it clear that this won't be tolerated anymore, via HEFTY fines, then this behavior will stop. You'd think being safe and not killing other people would be enough to make people do the right thing, but it apparently isn't. Make it hurt in the wallet and people start shaping up.

    Now, the problem is that even the KPD can't seem to follow such simple rules. I've written before about almost being hit by KPD officers.

     
  • Mokihana posted at 2:18 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    Mokihana Posts: 58

    Said it many times before and I'll keep on saying it...."where the hell are the damn cops on blood alley??????" I drive the speed limit and 99% of the cars are flying past me and swerving back and forth between lanes. I've NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER in the past 5 years or so seen on cop writing a citation. WHAT THE HELL????

     
  • mdmann posted at 1:44 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    mdmann Posts: 985

    [quote]Actually mdmann if you re-read the newstory you will see that it states the Ford Explorer in which the passenger was the deceased party crossed the centerline & hit the Dodge pick-up truck.[/quote]


    I believe my point, Francine, was that the vehicle which crossed the center line was the vehicle that the deceased was riding in. I apologize for mistakenly calling a Ford Explorer a "truck."

    I don't care about whether speed is an issue along that stretch "on any given day." It annoys me that people insist on blaming speed for every traffic accident here when the real problem is that there are a bunch of people on this island who haven't been properly taught how to drive. If you people had your way, the speed limit would be 5 mph all over the island! That road is perfectly safe with a 50 mph speed limit if people would pay attention to what they are doing. I don't even agree with this idea that it is the fault of the road. The low cost solution is to crack down on lane drifters.

     
  • aalohaa posted at 1:36 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    aalohaa Posts: 48

    most car accidents are no accident. they are a crime and should be treated as such. people on kauai are notorious for driving over the yellow line . i witness drivers over the yellow line every road everyday. its these drivers irresposable driving habits that finally catch up with them and in this case a man killed his own friend. he should be in jail for murder of his friend and attempted murder on all the other victims.a motor vehicle has the potential to kill at any speed .

     
  • Melemele3 posted at 1:16 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    Melemele3 Posts: 1

    RIP Laurey. I will remember you always.

     
  • KauaiFIXYourRoads posted at 1:11 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    KauaiFIXYourRoads Posts: 3

    [quote]John Tyler said: "One honest, lower cost, very safe solution: Downgrade that stretch of road from 3 lanes to two, using the middle lane as a center divider, and yes, have only right hand turns from the two intersections. Result: ZERO HEAD ON COLLISIONS (which have been most if not all the death reasons).I am sickened to see B.S. projects done like new lanes in front of the police station to the airport, (totally wasted graft money) or a new wailua bridge giving an extra lane for 300 yards to Aloha Beach resort... before Blood Alley is genuinely fixed. The Cart goes before the Horse here.The fix is obvious. There's got to be some behind the scenes reason why it hasn't been done, and that is truly sad."[/quote]

    This would make more traffic, however it would be a easy fix and I would feel safer driving to lihue from kapaa

     
  • KauaiFIXYourRoads posted at 1:04 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    KauaiFIXYourRoads Posts: 3

    I was there and saw what happened, Even if the pickup going south bound saw the explore cross the line, where is there to go to move out of the way!!! Oh that's right, you cant move anywhere!

    Speed isn't the problem, its the road.

    Oh and Kauai, sticking those tiny pols all of the road like your doing in kapaa, that wont fix the problem!

     
  • KauaiFIXYourRoads posted at 12:53 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    KauaiFIXYourRoads Posts: 3

    SPEED ISN'T THE PROBLEM PEOPLE

    I just don't get it, "Kauai's fix to the problem is, lets lower the speed limit" That is not a fix!!

    Here is a easy fix, sure its going to cost some money, but its a solution to the problem and it wont mess up traffic while they are doing it!

    The old cane road, make that a darn southbound!! They can work on it all day / night and it wont mess up the traffic, when its almost done, they can connect it to the current setup

    How hard is that??? I also think everyone who has died on that road, should lawyer up and sue the county until something is done about it, that's tons of lawyers going after Kauai until they fix the problem.

    I agree with what everyone else is saying, what is up with the new road in front of the police dept?? Come on!

    I personally was almost involved in a head on but got lucky, my small car vs truck, i would have died if i wasn't able to move !

     
  • Francine1 posted at 12:36 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    Francine1 Posts: 223

    Actually mdmann if you re-read the newstory you will see that it states the Ford Explorer in which the passenger was the deceased party crossed the centerline & hit the Dodge pick-up truck.
    Regardless, the main point here is that I drive 'blood alley' a lot since living in the Wailua area. And yes speed does come in to play on any given day. People will zig-zag through the traffic at speeds that are way in excess of 40MPH.
    I was off-island when the accident occurred which took the life of 16 year old Nahele Hoku Marie Kapua. I'm not sure if you have driven past that accident scene, but it must have taken a lot of speed to totally uproot a very large pine tree.
    Condolences to both families, you may not think so; but speed does usually come in to play in most auto accidents. Perhaps if they were driving the speed limit, they may have been able to avoid both car wrecks. Who's to say; but people need to pay attention & drive the posted speed limits. Remember, it's only an island! Aloha...

     
  • John Tyler posted at 12:13 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    John Tyler Posts: 22

    One honest, lower cost, very safe solution: Downgrade that stretch of road from 3 lanes to two, using the middle lane as a center divider, and yes, have only right hand turns from the two intersections. Result: ZERO HEAD ON COLLISIONS (which have been most if not all the death reasons).

    I am sickened to see B.S. projects done like new lanes in front of the police station to the airport, (totally wasted graft money) or a new wailua bridge giving an extra lane for 300 yards to Aloha Beach resort... before Blood Alley is genuinely fixed. The Cart goes before the Horse here.

    The fix is obvious. There's got to be some behind the scenes reason why it hasn't been done, and that is truly sad.

     
  • mdmann posted at 12:02 pm on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    mdmann Posts: 985

    Those of you talking about slow down need to read the article again. There was NOTHING said about speed causing this accident. It was CLEARLY stated that the driver of the truck (whom I am betting was a resident, as they were carrying the deceased who was a resident).CROSSED THE CENTER YELLOW LINE. I and many others have been complaining about this problem for YEARS! When they were first talking about reducing the speed limit on that stretch of road, I said that wasn't going to do a thing because that isn't what is causing the problem. Why won't you people listen? Why does logic so blatantly escape you? Stop focusing on speed and start focusing on more general driving habits. I agree with LocalGrinds who said that highway can easily accommodate 50 mph. What it can't accommodate is idiots who refuse to pay attention to a line on the road. I don't know what could be simpler than keeping a vehicle BETWEEN two lines. If you can't do that, you should not be given a license.

    This is crazy!

     
  • manaman posted at 11:42 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    manaman Posts: 596

    45 MPH, w/ photo enforcement.

     
  • payback posted at 11:33 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    payback Posts: 1726

    Most people are generally law abiding, that’s why our government knows when it passed a law that the majority of the people ignore it is very difficult to enforce. Examples of this are Prohibition and the 55 mph speed limit. People typically go about 10 mph faster than the posted speed limit and while I loathe to get into a numbers game when it comes to fatalities I believe the reduced speed limit is reducing the number of serious or fatal injuries as a result of collisions. Let’s face it, some people are incapable of driving within their lane and until the State and Fed come up with a practical design and the money for the improvements I believe it is better still to be hit head on at 30 mph than 40 mph or more, but this will require dropping the speed limit at least another 10 mph. Is your life worth that or not?

     
  • jr1956 posted at 11:32 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    jr1956 Posts: 1263

    Ironically in the Jewish calendar we are in what is called the 'days of awe.'(right now) The time between 'Rosh Hashanah' (Jewish new year and Yom Kippur. (The day of atonement)

    According to jewish doctrine during this time it is determined who will live and who will die, who by fire, who by disease who by accident, The Jews pray to be entered into the book of life for another year on planet earth.

    Therefore spiritually speaking there really is no blame game if you believe in judaism... I believe in Judaism, and many other doctrines too.

    We say L'shanah Tovah, may you all be entered into the book of Life for a sweet new year!

    Again,My condolences to all friends and family of Laurey Fernandez. Aloha Kimo


     
  • John_Brown posted at 11:10 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    John_Brown Posts: 752

    This is really sad but these types of collisions are common especially now that everyone seems to think they can drive and talk or even TEXT. OMG... Talk about irresponsibility. It's also usually a cruel twist of fate in that the person responsible survives and the victim is completely innocent. I'm not sure who was who in this particular case, it's still a tragedy.

    I agree with most of the comments here. I cheap cement barrier will stop this but FORGET contra flow. The only way you are going to accomplish that is if you widen the road (which could easily be done because now there is just a ditch filled with nasty water and trash). I think either of these work because even if you lower the speed limit again, you will still have those driving WAY TOO FAST. Only takes one distration for one moment on a road like this to have tragedy. Put up the barrier and widen the road. Surely they have some road funds somewhere to help out. Will make going to Lihue a pain, but worth it IMO.

     
  • yinyangbamboo posted at 10:29 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    yinyangbamboo Posts: 47

    "You want it safer? Make it right turns only in & out of the jail and the golf course"

    This is true. It would be a good first step. Yes a driver the driver ultimately (probably bears the most responsibility - at least if mechanical failure is ruled out), but we live in the real world, and the real world is telling us to make that road SAFER.
    Obviously its a money issue, but some POL needs to get brave and work with the Feds to get this highway improved. Does DOT even approve of 3 lane highways? This stretch is killing our people. It is quantifiable. How many died here in fires lately = none? - Try take half fire department budget and couple it with federal highway funds and fix this road. C'mon mayor - take the lead here! Oh and the driver's ed teachers here need to start screaming at people that we don't drive in the left lane except to pass. IMHO.

     
  • Sensei posted at 10:27 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    Sensei Posts: 104

    The Mayor is vacationing in another country pretending to be a tour guide while the roads on Kauai are unmanaged, unsafe and in bad need of repair. Of course in his budget this year there was much more money to hire more administrators (why not fire some). The police chief is more concerned with the fellowship of the police than with creating solutions. Other police departments take some of their force out of comfy cars and put them on motorcycles with radar guns so that they can move through traffic and enforce the law. What is the rush? It's not 100 miles from Kapaa to Lihue. I've been on a 6-lane freeway in Calif. moving at 20mph. We listen to NPR and flirt with the driver in the next car. Whatever happened to "island time" when it didn't matter when you got there or wherever?

     
  • Francine1 posted at 9:38 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    Francine1 Posts: 223

    I believe the State DOT has had more than enough time studying and setting up & pulling down daily cones to get a clue.
    The one way to alleviate the problem other than enforcement is to add another lane and a center divider. Also, each driver needs to take responsibility for their own actions.
    When I drive through 'blood alley', I drive 45 and usually in the right hand lane; less chance of getting in to a head-on. It is stupid to see the car next to me in the left Northbound lane also traveling at the same speed. Although, we are both following the law, there are idiots out there that are road raging because they can't get around you or me; so pull in front of or in back of me and we'll both drive according to the law.
    It doesn't make sense to watch cars zig-zagging through the traffic to be stopped a couple of cars ahead of me at the Kuamo`o Stoplight. Don't grumble when an accident occurs and you're inconvenienced due to a traffic accident. Think before you get behind the wheel.....

     
  • Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts posted at 9:27 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts Posts: 941

    I like the horn idea, think I drop $400 for a really good air horn.

     
  • CouldBe808 posted at 8:57 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    CouldBe808 Posts: 126

    I don't understand how it is clear to all residents that the road in that area needs to be redone center dividers added, etc.. but instead of that they are remaking the road in Lihue? In my opinion the Wailua Road should be Priority #1 to the Lihue area or any area on this island for that matter... they are even going west with these bumpy things in the center of the road with no attempt at anything on the Wailua Road. Praying for the families of the people involved.

     
  • pulehu posted at 8:41 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    pulehu Posts: 386

    Why here in Mayberry we don't hardly enforce the laws folks....those we do enforce are seemigly for "theatre" so's the KPD guys can get their awards from the Police Commission(a rookie attempt to instill esprit and morale in any unit lacking such)although there are some outstanding officers in KPD likely being prevented from doing real police work by "Administrators." Don't you know crime on Kauai is big business for the cops, probation dept, prosecutors, defense attorneys(ever wonder why instead of enforcing the laws they continually let the "goblins" back out to victimize?) Why folks, just look at the probation officer's here who are taught that if you just sit at your desk and fill out one more form the crime rate will magically drop! What a farce, with the taxpayers being the ultimate victims. This Wailua thing is part/parcel of the same problem on Kauai.

     
  • jr1956 posted at 8:41 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    jr1956 Posts: 1263

    My condolences to all friends and family of Laurey Fernandez. Aloha Kimo

     
  • English owner posted at 8:25 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    English owner Posts: 7

    RGGJGR...Well thank you for feeling "sorry " for us Europeans, but it's not necessary. You mentioned in an earlier comment that when you return from the mainland, you feel you're going at a snails pace. Get used to it!. Some European countries drivers do indeed do what you say, mainly the French and the Germans. I was in Paris a couple of years ago, and watched a little car, back into another little car to make enough room to park up!. If a faster car comes up behind a slower car on a narrow road,and its a German driver, that person will honk the horn, and expect the other car to pull over to give it room to pass. Yes the world has plenty of arrogant, ignorant, irritable drivers,( not just the countries I use in this example) but that doesn't make them right. Slow down, stay alert, and show respect..to the ignorant, and the elderly, and all other road users..YES RG even you!

     
  • Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts posted at 7:28 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts Posts: 941

    If you think that people on the mainland drive to fast, you should stay out of Europe. There they're insidiously fast drivers with little if any patience for slow drivers. They will practically will and do run you off the road for driving to slow.

    I really feel for our European guests who drive here.


     
  • SaltPondSlim posted at 7:21 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    SaltPondSlim Posts: 251

    [quote]bjduks said: "Lack of Law Enforcement on the Islands is to blame! Where is the crackdown on Illegal trucks? Cell & texting while driving? Career criminals running Rampant on these Islands,because lack of enforcement thats the Problem. INOKEA I DO WHAT I LIKE! Just like the Ghettos on the Mainland,no different!"[/quote]

    I agree, bj...and nothing says "ghetto" more expressively than loud music pumping out of a chopped down low-rider driven by some tattooed zero who will never be on the map for anything other than failure to pay child support or show up for his probation meetings.

     
  • johans posted at 7:20 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    johans Posts: 17

    PAVE A NEW LANE IT WOULD TAKE 3 WEEKS IF SOMEONE WITH A HEAD IS IN CHARGE. ALL THE CONES ON THE HIGHWAY LOOK LIKE A CIRCUS IN THE MORNING. HALF THE TIME THEY ARE KNOCKED OVER AND CAUSING PEOPLE TO SWERVE. FIGURE IT OUT CONEHEADS

     
  • moailio posted at 7:14 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    moailio Posts: 58

    The state has been "studying" how to fix that road and the Kapaa traffic jam for 30 years. Meanwhile, the big island people have four lane driveways. I have an idea. Why don't we send all of the state DOT folks on an extended vacation and while they are away, bring in some real road designers and finally fix Kauai's road problems. If the leg. says not enough money - point to all the 4 lane driveways on big island and Maui.

     
  • johans posted at 7:11 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    johans Posts: 17

    what keep stacking cones for ever at tax payers money of $8,000 a day or figure it out and pave a 4 mile section and have it done right one time. CONEHEADS

     
  • Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts posted at 7:08 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts Posts: 941

    The solution isn't slower speeds. The solution is in the design & necessary upgrades needed for this major artery of our roadway system.

    Those of you with a lack of skill level to manage 50 MPH speeds should take a cab, ride the bus or have a more competent person drive.

    50 is not all that fast, surface roads on the mainland with stop lights at the half & full mile mark have 50 MPH speeds very regularly with 3 lanes of travel in each direction & a turn lane in the middle 7th lane & people manage it daily on their way to higher speed rated freeways.

    Every time I come back from a visit to the mainland I feel like I've landed in a snails race back to where I live. Lethargic driving is not a skill level to obtain as it dulls your mind & ability to react. I've set my cruise control at 35, 36. 37 & still have to brake on that stretch just about every time.

    Really what are you people doing? Watching the grass grow?

    The collusion for slower speeds enforces complacency in fear.

     
  • SaltPondSlim posted at 6:59 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    SaltPondSlim Posts: 251

    OK, I guess it's time to install the concrete barrier wall between lanes with safety bumpers on each side of the road. Do they need training wheels on their SUVs, too? C'mon, Kauai, learn how to drive...at least how to stay in your own lane.

     
  • bjduks posted at 6:45 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    bjduks Posts: 1254

    Lack of Law Enforcement on the Islands is to blame! Where is the crackdown on Illegal trucks? Cell & texting while driving? Career criminals running Rampant on these Islands,because lack of enforcement thats the Problem. INOKEA I DO WHAT I LIKE! Just like the Ghettos on the Mainland,no different!

     
  • bjduks posted at 6:39 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    bjduks Posts: 1254

    Driver Error? Wise Up & Pay Attention your life & other lives depend on it! 24 hr law enforcement & double the Fines for Speeding & unsafe driving,cell phones texting Etc. Enforce the laws on the books. Get some backbone why don't ya?

    Same goes with career criminals if given proper jail time u would have LESS CRIME! DUH??? Get with the program Prosecutors! It's your JOB!

     
  • chillax1808 posted at 6:11 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    chillax1808 Posts: 21

    If the State would only use their heads and pave the old haul cane road and make that one way either to Lihue or to Kapaa this would definitely eliminate head on crashes. Or two traffic signals one before the 4 mm turn to slow traffic down there and again another by the jailhouse. The 40 mph only worked when it first was changed because the cops were always there. "In the beginning."

     
  • Postmaster posted at 5:49 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    Postmaster Posts: 76

    [quote]Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts said: "Really stacking orange cones for nearly 20 years when you should dredge out that ditch and build a culvert and then install a new lane over the top of it with shoulders and bike lanes is not rocket science... really WTH is it going to take? Dead relatives of elected officials I bet... maybe we might see some movement then


    This is something I have been saying for years. Glad someone else see this. It's not the speed that is the problem is bad designing. Every time I go through there I feel unsafe. There should be a divider and extra lane. Cover the ditch should be sign outside the Mayors office. They should have done this before the bridge. If I had a dollar for every time I was going through there in the morning seeing some lady putting on make up using the rear view mirror. I be retired by now. Even seen guy's shaving the same way. So it's for the safety of all of us Mayor that you make this section safe..Do it the right way

     
  • nobody posted at 5:48 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    nobody Posts: 211

    Kauai's "death alley" is the result of nothing more than a substandard roadway. I recall when the so called improvement to three lanes was proposed. There was a comment from a resident on Kauai about the project. I believe he was a retired roadway planner. Upon reviewing the project he warned that 3 lane roads are notorious for accidents and that the width of the lanes were too narrow, way under any safe standard. I remember this EVERY time I drive that stretch of road. If for some reason I need to be in the center lane I treat it as death defying act. I'm amazed at people who choose to just travel in that middle lane. Lowering the speed limit seems to have reduced the number of deaths. The easiest solution it seems is to widen the road into the golf course.

    I really doubt anything will be done.

     
  • scottgoold posted at 4:53 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    scottgoold Posts: 263

    Aloha ~
    I believe it is clear that it was the FORD Explorer that was at fault. The auto maker should never allow a vehicle to "cross a center line."

    I believe it was the PASSENGERS in the Ford Explorer who were at fault. Kaua'i should ban all passengers in vehicles.

    I believe it was MILE MARKER 4 that was at fault. Mile Marker 4 should be removed.

    What I don't believe is that the DRIVER, who crossed the center line, was at fault. It's not possible s/he was celling, texting, eating, drinking, talking, turning around to talk to the passengers, etc. Drivers do not cause accidents - everyone else is to blame!

    HaHa! What a society - blame everyone and everything but the person responsible.

    Thanks to the County for slowing people down. This is why 40mph is better than 50mph. Had this happened at higher speeds, more people would have been killed.

    We can't legislate responsibility ... therefore we ALL must slow down to protect the innocent.

    A*L*O*H*A

     
  • Toteez posted at 2:14 am on Sun, Oct 2, 2011.

    Toteez Posts: 1

    Here for those of you who are asking

     
  • jimboa posted at 10:01 pm on Sat, Oct 1, 2011.

    jimboa Posts: 82

    People drive faster than the 40 MPH posted because each driver drives what they think is prudent, and drivers are "voting" that 40 is too slow. That road can safely accommodate 50 MPH. Each accident has its own factors, and the cause is unknown as of yet here, but I suspect that people were not paying attention when driving. As for widening the road ruining the look of that area, the reality is traffic is increasing. There is more traffic here and we are all to blame - and it isn't just people going to Wal Mart. So, widening the roads is a necessary evil. The world's population is increasing and Kauai is not exempt.

     
  • Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts posted at 9:57 pm on Sat, Oct 1, 2011.

    Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts Posts: 941

    They dropped the speed limit from 50 to 40 to save life's; what a failure it has been, the theory published in TGI according to the entity responsible for the new lower limit was that when vehicles collided that you'd have a better chance to live.

    Slam a wall at 80 or a 100 (the combined impact speed) in a lot of these vehicles and chances are your not walking away, even at 60, good luck...

     
  • Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts posted at 9:51 pm on Sat, Oct 1, 2011.

    Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts Posts: 941

    That speed limit has gone from a 50 MPH dropped to a 40 MPH, whats next; 35?, 30?, 25?, a long, long slow walk?

    Hey you can't fix poor judgement. The thing I noticed with the slower limit is we have people that are driving slower than the posted 40 and fidgeting doing other things they shouldn't while they're driving making a bad situation worse than it has to be.

    Fact is that road is more than capable of handling limits over 50 MPH. You want it safer? Make it right turns only in & out of the jail and the golf course; sure some will have to drive out of their way for a distance, say to Lydgate area and to the Hotel entrance to flip it around or construct a passover with the passover being the ideal choice with a divided Highway.

    Isn't all of these peoples lives lost worth at least that?

    That highway needs two lanes each direction and the archaic reduced speed limit lifted; maybe if that was done people would focus on driving.

     
  • LocalGrinds posted at 9:23 pm on Sat, Oct 1, 2011.

    LocalGrinds Posts: 1

    So again what was the "40 MPH" change supposed to do there? Obviously there needs to be more reinforcment in that area, not just changing the speed limit and putting up an electronic speed detector on the highway telling you how fast youre going. Its rediculous how everytime i see the car ahead of me passing that electronic speed dectector how fast people are going and even then people are speeding through that area anyways.

     
  • KaiKane posted at 9:04 pm on Sat, Oct 1, 2011.

    KaiKane Posts: 27

    Stop lights should be installed at the Kauai Beach Resort & at the golf course intersection. It's dangerous pulling out of these places. Dividers are needed. Prayers go out to the family whose loved one has passed.

     
  • leonani posted at 8:54 pm on Sat, Oct 1, 2011.

    leonani Posts: 1

    Kauai needs to have seperate lanes for North & South bound traffic in order to keep our people SAFE. The Old Hawaiians have said before that the native ancestors pass thru that area; that's why so many accidents have happened in that same area.

     
  • northshorewahine posted at 8:24 pm on Sat, Oct 1, 2011.

    northshorewahine Posts: 20

    We can't put the blame on the county or state every time there is a mean or fatal accedent ! We "the drivers" have to be responsible for our own actions and slow down ! I also think they should leave the road as is, before we ruin this beautiful island of ours and we will start looking like Oahu ... We really don't need that here. My heart goes out to the family and friends of the person who past in this tragic accident. God bless you all !

     
  • Lyle Bargamento posted at 8:05 pm on Sat, Oct 1, 2011.

    Lyle Bargamento Posts: 226

    I have driven that road for over 30 years and I can see fine around the curve. People just need to slow the the hell down. Where are people speeding to get to? Walmart? Slow down!!

     
  • kauaiikiidz posted at 7:45 pm on Sat, Oct 1, 2011.

    kauaiikiidz Posts: 1

    Its sad how many people are dying in the year 2011 due to a car crash. What should happen is that the state clears out the golf course trees that are in the way of that turn, its to dangerous because we can't see around the corner especially at night you know?

    but man my prayers and thoughts goes out to the family of the person who died, may he/she rest in paradise.

     
  • Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts posted at 5:51 pm on Sat, Oct 1, 2011.

    Regular Guy Giving Just Retorts Posts: 941

    Really stacking orange cones for nearly 20 years when you should dredge out that ditch and build a culvert and then install a new lane over the top of it with shoulders and bike lanes is not rocket science... really WTH is it going to take?

    Dead relatives of elected officials I bet... maybe we might see some movement then....

     
  • Faith posted at 5:32 pm on Sat, Oct 1, 2011.

    Faith Posts: 4

    How many deaths on that dangerous highway is it going to take before the County of Kaua'i puts a center divider there and widens the road? It is so sad, there have been too many deaths on that highway!

     

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